Enough of this "trying to find the magical piece for Iggy and Jokinen." They don't click and it's getting terribly obvious. Unless they bring Lundmark back this has to happen.
Throw Bourque and Langkow on the top line with Iggy and give them 10 games or so. Let Jokinen center his own line with Mosser and Dawsey. This team needs a big shake up and trading away a core player right now is not the answer.
Enough of this "trying to find the magical piece for Iggy and Jokinen." They don't click and it's getting terribly obvious. Unless they bring Lundmark back this has to happen.
Throw Bourque and Langkow on the top line with Iggy and give them 10 games or so. Let Jokinen center his own line with Mosser and Dawsey. This team needs a big shake up and trading away a core player right now is not the answer.
Holy hyperbole!!
Yeah, lets break up the true #1 line right now so that we can get "Iggy going" ... makes sense.
Seriously, let it go .... a big shake up, come on, step away from the cliff.
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Holy hyperbole!!
Yeah, lets break up the true #1 line right now so that we can get "Iggy going" ... makes sense.
Seriously, let it go .... a big shake up, come on, step away from the cliff.
It's not to get Iggy going it's to try and get the offense going. I'm by no means in the group that thinks the offense is garbage, but Jokinen and Iggy are just brutal together. We need legit top line that is also defensively responsible.
They already tried this at a couple times. The problem is that there is no capable play maker on the team and that is what Jokinen requires.
Well unless they bring Lundmark up (send Sjostrom away) and give him another shot, I don't see any other options. Somethings gotta give with this team.
Well unless they bring Lundmark up (send Sjostrom away) and give him another shot, I don't see any other options. Somethings gotta give with this team.
Sutter is going to either pick up a playmaking winger to play on that line or possibly he will trade a core player away as a shake up to the team. The team does lack some skill up front and it hurts them at times but when a team lacks skill they need to make up for it in effort and there is far too often that we are not seeing that effort.
Sutter is going to either pick up a playmaking winger to play on that line or possibly he will trade a core player away as a shake up to the team. The team does lack some skill up front and it hurts them at times but when a team lacks skill they need to make up for it in effort and there is far too often that we are not seeing that effort.
Trade a core player away? To shake up the team? WTF?
Why in the blue hell does a 20-10-4 team need a shake up?
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They already tried this at a couple times. The problem is that there is no capable play maker on the team and that is what Jokinen requires.
The problem, as was very evident last night, is that Jokinen is trying to be Iginla's play maker, and it is not working at all. Things are made worse by the fact that he is a bad defensive forward, while Iginla is average at best. That line gets worked because there is not a lot of defensive ability on it.
Put Iginla back with Langkow, put Jokinen with Bourque, and tell Jokinen to shoot the f'ing puck. I bet we would see a considerable improvement in both players, both offensively and defensively.
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He should be thrown to the fourth line so it'd be like the good old days playing in Florida with no talent on his sides, because apparently, that's the only way he can flourish and produce.
I'll contribute by saying the same thing thats been said 400000 times already. We need a true left winger to play with them. I like what I saw from Langkow, Dawes and Bourque last night and wouldnt wanna mess with that line.
Sjostrom can go play hide and go F himself, I haven't seen him do anything in the last 10 games.
They already tried this at a couple times. The problem is that there is no capable play maker on the team and that is what Jokinen requires.
I don't know as if he's had a "capable playmaker" his whole career yet he was able to produce before. The guy has been playing okay since about game 10 or 12. In reality that's not good enough when you consider he is playing with iginla and getting top line minutes.
I'm not sure why he is not regularly shooting the puck and taking the puck to the net with authority but you'd think sooner or later he is going to get hot and score a half dozen goals in a span of 4 or 5 games. I'd be up for a change and maybe seeing him and langkow switch spots for a while...maybe it works out and we end up with two snipers playing on two different lines. Right now I can't really see a negative other then splitting up our second unit which is one of the only trios producing regularly at this time.
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I think Boyd could be a good fit on that top line if given the chance. I'd like to see him up there for atleast a half a dozen games. It's not his fault Olli and Jarome didn't play very well last night.
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Trade a core player away? To shake up the team? WTF?
Why in the blue hell does a 20-10-4 team need a shake up?
Not a shake up for this season, just a shake up for the team in general. If it was done it would be done in the offseason after another failed playoffs imo.
If this team/core can't get its stuff together I don't really care to have them all back and see the same thing that we see every year.
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I don't know as if he's had a "capable playmaker" his whole career yet he was able to produce before. The guy has been playing okay since about game 10 or 12. In reality that's not good enough when you consider he is playing with iginla and getting top line minutes.
I'm not sure why he is not regularly shooting the puck and taking the puck to the net with authority but you'd think sooner or later he is going to get hot and score a half dozen goals in a span of 4 or 5 games. I'd be up for a change and maybe seeing him and langkow switch spots for a while...maybe it works out and we end up with two snipers playing on two different lines. Right now I can't really see a negative other then splitting up our second unit which is one of the only trios producing regularly at this time.
Weiss, Horton, Stumpel, Nieuwendyk are/were decent players. Most importantly though is they were playing river hockey and setting up plays for Jokinen to finish.
Sutter is making Jokinen play a board/grinding game instead of a run and gun game that he is really effective at. He just doesn't have the tools for that kind of game(as seen here in Calgary and in Phoenix).
Jokinen can't be split from Iginla because honestly everyone else on the team sucks at passing ability, they are either grinders or goal scorers. Jokinen needs two players on his line that are going to play a dynamic style offense. Iginla is capable of this(in fact I think this is what he actually prefers) and they just need someone else to come in and create some room and actually be able to get passes through. Lundmark did it somewhat and there was a huge difference in that lines play. Moss, Dawes, Nystrom, Sjostrom etc have all failed on the top line because they lack the tools to face up against oppositions top defensive pairing.
I've been saying this for a while. Putting the 2 of them on a line together should only be done on the PP. Put Iggy with Conny and Moss, and Oli with Glencross and Sjostrom. Keep the second line the way it is, they're playing good. Iggy might help Conny score a friggin goal and Oli might make us hear Sjostrom's name once or twice.
Move Jokinen
