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Old 07-08-2009, 04:06 AM   #1
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Default How the Flames traded Gary Suter for Bouwmeester

I thought it would be interesting to trace back the Bouwmeester trade to its root, and where other Flames assets were involved in such trades to trace them back to their roots as well--factoring the trade history, if you will. I thus consider a root to be an original Flames asset, nothing we had to give up an asset to get, namely (a) Flames own draft pick (b) Flames free agent signing (c) Flames waiver acquisition.

Here is the net trade history:

OUT (root Flames assets)

Gary Suter (drafted 9th round 1984)
Paul Ranheim (2nd 84)
Marc Bureau (signed as FA in 87)
Ted Drury (2nd 89)
Jonas Hoglund (10th 92)
Ryan Wilson (FA 08)
Lawrence Nycholat (claimed off waivers in 09)
3rd 98 (eventually used to select Brad Richards)
5th 98 (Curtis Rich)
3rd 02 (Todd Ford)
2nd 06 (Codey Burki)
2nd 07 (Trevor Cann)
5th 08 (Maxim Trunev)
3rd 09 (Adam Morrison)
1st 10

IN (expressed in current assets only)

Jay Bouwmeester
Olli Jokinen
3rd 05 (Gord Baldwin)
1st 08 (Greg Nemisz)

Obviously the Flames received other assets along the way, players who suited up for the Flames and played games until they were traded for someone else.

Other assets the Flames received but that eventually never brought further return through trade:
JF Damphousse
4th 98 (Shaun Sutter)
5th 99 (Jesse Cook)
2nd 01 (Andrei Medvedev)
5th 02 (Kristofer Persson)

I will spare the whole history and if someone is unclear I can elaborate on a trade sequence.

But here it is in a nutshell:

The Flames traded Gary Suter, Paul Ranheim, and Ted Drury for Michael Nylander, James Patrick, and Zarley Zalapski.

Patrick played a long time for the Flames but eventually signed in Buffalo as a free agent. We got a compensatory pick which we used on Jesse Cook and that went nowhere.

Zalapski was packaged with Jonas Hoglund in the Bure trade, which after Rob Niedermayer, Mike Commodore and other bits and pieces in and out has resulted in Gord Baldwin being our last remaining asset from that lineage.

Nylander led to a long line of trades which included the likes of Nazarov, Leopold, Tanguay, 2nd pick in 09, Leopold (again) and then Bouwmeester. The 3rd in 09 pick we added with Leopold to get Bouwmeester came from the Jokinen trade which can be traced back to a root of a 1st in 2010, 3rd in 09, and the 3rd in 02 which we traded for the pick we used to select Lombardi.

Unless Bouwmeester, Jokinen, Nemisz and Baldwin all retire as Flames or sign elsewhere as free agents, this trade history will continue to unfold in the future.
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:18 AM   #2
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Let me guess your in the dog house and your wife has closed up the fun park lol no man thats a great peice of work just makes you think how inportant a G.M Is to a franchise and the assets it can collect.
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:24 AM   #5
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Very methodical and somewhat Max Planck like...I can appreciate this

Edit: Whatever happened to Nazarov...?
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:24 AM   #6
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Not in dog house, as perverse as it seems I actually prefer looking up Flames trade history to doing work while in the office!
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:26 AM   #7
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Following a trade to Anaheim in 2000, Nazarov struggled and was limited to a mere 16 games with the Ducks before he was sent to the Boston Bruins later that season.

After parts of two seasons in Boston the hulking forward was dealt to the Phoenix Coyotes midway through the 2001-02 season where he would play for the next three seasons. In the summer of 2005, Nazarov joined his seventh NHL team when he was acquired by the Minnesota Wild. As a member of the Minnesota Wild, Nazarov spent the majority of the season as a healthy reserve before officially announcing his retirement in July of 2006.
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You Da Man! Thanks

Edit: Your in London? Do you catch the games on ESPN360, or is there a better way across the pond? I'm in Berlin..

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Edit: Your in London? Do you catch the games on ESPN360, or is there a better way across the pond? I'm in Berlin..
I watch the games on my Slingbox when I can!
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You Da Man! Thanks

Edit: Your in London? Do you catch the games on ESPN360, or is there a better way across the pond? I'm in Berlin..
This might be better than watching on your PC....

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This is awesome! Thank you so much for sharing this!

I still love the fact that Kent Nilsson is the gift that wont stop giving.

Nilsson --> Neiuwendyk --> Iginla
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This is awesome! Thank you so much for sharing this!

I still love the fact that Kent Nilsson is the gift that wont stop giving.

Nilsson --> Neiuwendyk --> Iginla
Yeah if I apply the same net format to Iggy we get the following:

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Kent Nilsson (reclaimed prior to expansion draft in 1979)
3rd 86 (Brad Turner)

IN

Jarome Iginla

Other assets received which eventually dissipated:

Corey Millen
Trent Yawney

EDIT: Man, Kenta must have played pro hockey in as many different countries as any other player: Sweden, Canada, USA, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Spain.
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Im confused, what does the Flames 2010 1st rounder have to do with Bouwmeester?
Isnt it for Jokinen?
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Wow. Holy crap did our scouting suck back then. Horrible selections thru and thru.
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This shows how documentation can be misleading. The Flames got Bouwmeester for a 3rd round pick and trading away Vandermeer, and not re-signing Aucion and Cammalleri and Bertuzzi
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You go back a little far IMO.

Leopold and a 3rd for Bouwmeester's rights
1. the 3rd is from trading down in the 1st round
2. Leopold was acquired for a 2nd, Ryan Wilson (UFA signing) and Lawrence Nycholat (waiver wire pickup)
3. The 2nd was acquired as part of the deal in which we dealt Tanguay and a 5th for a 1st, 2nd

Why would you go any further than that?

Basically Bouwmeester cost us a small part of Tanguay's year in Montreal. We got Cammalleri anyways.

Not sure why'd you trace it back any further than that.
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This shows how documentation can be misleading. The Flames got Bouwmeester for a 3rd round pick and trading away Vandermeer, and not re-signing Aucion and Cammalleri and Bertuzzi
Ha, while under the cap system you'll no longer have that straight trade to judge who the winner was (i.e. Thornton looked like a steal by the Sharks, now others are saying that the free space got them Chara and Savard so the Bruins are the winners). But even then I don't think you can justify Bouwmeester costing us Bertuzzi or Aucoin as it was really their "fault" they aren't re-signed. Cammalleri and Vandermeer at least the argument is there, but than you got to look at what Sjostrom will eventually get us (if anything) as it can be debated that not having Cammalleri (through way of having Bouwmeester) opened up the forward spot for Sjostrom...
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Ha, while under the cap system you'll no longer have that straight trade to judge who the winner was (i.e. Thornton looked like a steal by the Sharks, now others are saying that the free space got them Chara and Savard so the Bruins are the winners). But even then I don't think you can justify Bouwmeester costing us Bertuzzi or Aucoin as it was really their "fault" they aren't re-signed. Cammalleri and Vandermeer at least the argument is there, but than you got to look at what Sjostrom will eventually get us (if anything) as it can be debated that not having Cammalleri (through way of having Bouwmeester) opened up the forward spot for Sjostrom...
And even further.... If there was no cap, would Pardy be on the team or would have Aucion be signed as a 6th D-man to play the second powerplay... should the Flames owners be willing to spend the 2 mil differential between Aucion and Pardy?

Had the Flames not signed Bouwmeester would they have signed Aucion at 2.5M been signed? He had a relatively strong season and played well with Regehr. The main knock on him was mainly based on his 4M contract.

It was hard following-up on trades in the pre-cap world ... what did the throw in draft pick turn into... but now it is almost impossible to judge.
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