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Old 04-22-2009, 11:22 AM   #1
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Recently, I was amazed to hear a commentary by CNN's Campbell Brown on the controversial vaccine issue. After a ruling by the 'special vaccine court' saying the Measles, Mumps, Rubella shot wasn't found to be responsible for the plaintiffs' autism, she and others in the media began making assertions that the judgment was in, and vaccines had been proven safe. No one would be more relieved than Jenny and I if that were true. But with all due respect to Ms. Brown, a ruling against causation in three cases out of more than 5000 hardly proves that other children won't be adversely affected by the MMR, let alone that all vaccines are safe.

In all likelihood the truth about vaccines is that they are both good and bad. While ingredients like aluminum, mercury, ether, formaldehyde and anti-freeze may help preserve and enhance vaccines, they can be toxic as well. The assortment of viruses delivered by multiple immunizations may also be a hazard. I agree with the growing number of voices within the medical and scientific community who believe that vaccines, like every other drug, have risks as well as benefits and that for the sake of profit, American children are being given too many, too soon. One thing is certain. We don't know enough to announce that all vaccines are safe!

If the CDC, the AAP and Ms. Brown insist that our children take twice as many shots as the rest of the western world, we need more independent vaccine research not done by the drug companies selling the vaccines or by organizations under their influence. Studies that cannot be internally suppressed. Answers parents can trust. Perhaps this is what Campbell Brown should be demanding and how the power of the press could better serve the public in the future.

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Old 04-22-2009, 11:25 AM   #2
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Pseudoscience In Medical News at the Huffington Post

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=463

The Huffington Post, which bills itself as “The Internet Newspaper: News Blogs Video Community” is a hybrid news outlet. While it contains traditional news articles, as one would expect from any newspaper, it also has developed a reputation for publishing consistently anti-scientific blogs and articles, particularly in the area of medicine. Some of these articles would make a Weekly World News editor blush.

From one point of view, these are just personal blogs, and therefore they are the opinions of an individual published without any filter. But they are packaged as part of something that calls itself a newspaper, and this raises the question of editorial responsibility. What is the responsibility of the Huffington Post when they publish gross health misinformation on their site?
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:26 AM   #3
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Does that mean I have to bring out my public Health soap box out again?
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I don't really know much about this topic... Do American kids receive more "routine" vaccinations than Canadian children? Just wondering in reference to "twice as many shots in the US then anywhere else in the Western world" comment he made in the article.

I always assume US and Canadian doctor's would be advising similar practices, but I guess that might not be the case.
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I don't really know much about this topic... Do American kids receive more "routine" vaccinations than Canadian children? Just wondering in reference to "twice as many shots in the US then anywhere else in the Western world" comment he made in the article.

I always assume US and Canadian doctor's would be advising similar practices, but I guess that might not be the case.
Sort answer = yes and maybe

There is no set standard even between provinces on the number of shots and the schedule. However, most of the provinces follow the Public Health Agency of Canada advince when developing their vaccination schedule

For Alberta, here is the schedule that we recommend
http://www.health.alberta.ca/health-...-schedule.html

for comparison, here is BC's
http://www.healthlinkbc.ca/immunization.stm

Sask:
http://www.health.gov.sk.ca/immunization-schedule

Manitoba:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/cdc/fs/irg.pdf

Ontario:
http://www.healthunit.org/immunizati..._schedules.htm

Que:
http://www.msss.gouv.qc.ca/sujets/sa...vaccination_en

US (CDC)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/sch...ocket_view.gif
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:58 AM   #7
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I might be mistaken but didn't Jim Carrey drop of high school? Does he have any other qualification for speaking out about vaccination other then his wife having a kid with autism?
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There is no evidence that shots cause autism in Canada, at least.
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I might be mistaken but didn't Jim Carrey drop of high school? Does he have any other qualification for speaking out about vaccination other then his wife having a kid with autism?
Hes a celebrity, hello. This alone gives him the ability to speak out on anything that he wants and make news about it, oh and it makes him right as well.

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Don't rates of autism typically rise in studies where the vaccines are eliminated? Perhaps I read an incorrect article somewhere along the way ...
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Hes a celebrity, hello.
Unless he's announcing he's making Ace Ventura 3, he needs to STFU.
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Don't rates of autism typically rise in studies where the vaccines are eliminated? Perhaps I read an incorrect article somewhere along the way ...
Metanalytical studies have shown that autism rates have increased as vaccination rates have decreased. I believe the Cochrane Review (the holy grail of metanalytical studies) performed this review.
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Well, after reading a little bit about Indigo and Crystal children/moms from the links at the Jenny site, I have to say....

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"In all likelihood the truth about vaccines is that they are both good and bad. While ingredients like aluminum, mercury, ether, formaldehyde and anti-freeze may help preserve and enhance vaccines, they can be toxic as well. The assortment of viruses delivered by multiple immunizations may also be a hazard. I agree with the growing number of voices within the medical and scientific community who believe that vaccines, like every other drug, have risks as well as benefits and that for the sake of profit, American children are being given too many, too soon. One thing is certain. We don't know enough to announce that all vaccines are safe!"

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While I do think that doctors are generally idiots, anyone who takes medical advice from Jim Carrey needs to submit themselves for a psych exam.
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I'm eagerly awaiting Adam Sandler's new theory about what causes childhood asthma.

If Carmen Electra says kids should sit in the front seat without a seatbelt then who am I to disagree?
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While I do think that doctors are generally idiots, anyone who takes medical advice from Jim Carrey needs to submit themselves for a psych exam.

Anyone who knowingly puts aluminum, mercury, ether, formaldehyde and anti-freeze in thier bodies or the body of a 2 month old needs a lot more than a head exam... Shouldn't take a Dr Carrey, or a MD or a human being with the ability to think for himself to figure that one out.

Unless you get a buck or two to do it...
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