Well for all players that had point moves of 3 or more in either a positive or negative direction.
Im sure many of you will be disapointed in the players that werent re-ranked, however based on what was provided there were very few to change...surprisingly.
We took all of the rerates...tossed the low and the high numbers and averaged the remainders. Out of approx 1500 players we changed in the area of 70. We wont rerate players that have OVs 2 or less in points.
I will attempt over the rest of the summer to more accurately rank AHLers that havent been touched yet.
Mika Noronen
Tom Kostopoulos
Jeff Cowan
Sebastien Centomo
Cristobal Huet
Jamie Mclennan
Mathieu Garon
Peter Sejna
Scott Hannan
Ales Hemsky
Ilya Kovalchuk
Pavel Datsyuk
Scott Nichol
Arturs Irbe
Bill Houlder
Brad Tapper
Jaromir Jagr
Billy Tibbetts
Sandis Ozolinsh
Claude Lemieux
Petr Buzek
Jamie Storr
Adam Oates
Adam Deadmarsh
Eric Fichaud
Chris Mason
Olivier Michaud
Miikka Kiprusoff
Travis Scott
Rick Nash
Jarret Stoll
Scott Fankhouser
Alexandre Daigle
Jonathan Cheechoo
Chuck Kobasew
Trent Hunter
Martin StLouis
Henrik Zetterberg
Martin Prusek
Fernando Pisani
Brooks Orpik
Mike Ribeiro
Alyn Mccauley
Patrick Sharp
Ron Hainsey
Robyn Regehr
Scottie Upshall
Alexei Ponikarovsky
Konstantin Koltsov
Richard Jackman
Rico Fata
Robert Esche
Shean Donovan
Alexander Svitov
Brad Richards
Brian Holzinger
Martin Cibak
Pierre-Marc Bouchard
Stanislav Chistov
Craig Anderson
Jared Aulin
Peter Schaefer
Rod Brind'Amour
Ron Francis
Todd Bertuzzi
Janne Laukkanen
Owen Nolan
Andrew Cassels
Jason Allison
Al MacInnis
Stephane Richer
Mike Dunham
Pavel Bure
Alexei Kovalev
Robert Svehla
Felix Potvin
Tommy Salo
Brent Johnson
Roman Cechmanek
Andy Delmore
Eric Lindros
Theoren Fleury
Sean Burke
A few players may be missed from this list...but I think this is the majority. Again, if you do not like what you see and feel the need to b!tch or whine to other GMs, Commissioners or post it here then simply quit. This is NOT a democracy and we will not tolerate any BS.
I would like to thank the effort put forth by everyone, I truly mean that.. Thank you.
But I am very disappointed that players weren’t corrected even though their OV doesn’t change… I don’t see why players that improved huge in certain parts of his game still have to have a garbage rating in such area’s (DF for me) just because his OV remains the same. Example my defence, sorry to be disappointed but just sinks all I’ve been trying to do for the last four months for nothing, not even 1+. Man I wish I never made those trades now. Oh well
Once again sorry, I do thank you all for the effort. i guess it's time to go to plan b *quick hanna make up a plan b*
I know the amount of work it takes to re-rate players and all but 70 out of 1500 changed seems a little low. Anyways no one on my team changed at all so I guess that is good
Once again to those who dont like what they see. We do what we can...IF you dont like it feel free to find another league that is more perfect....serious!
I don't want to step on any toes because I am new, but Good Lord I can't believe the way that some people are complaining because re-rates didn't work out the way that they'd anticipated. If people are VOLUNTEERING and giving the best effort that they can, spending hours trying to give as accurate a representation of these players abilities as they can in order to make this league as good as it can be, I think that all anyone should do is thank them for their time and effort and if things didn't work out the way that you'd hoped just deal with it and move on.
It's a tough situation. as one of the re-rate GMs I know how much work this took.
if you think about it though...when you have 8 GMs rerating a bunch of players, it's actually pretty hard for said player to move up or down the necessary 3 points required for a re-rate(should make it clear, this is not a complaint against the league, simply explaining the situation)
all in all if I look at my team for each guy that I think is a little under-rated I've got another guy who is a little over-rated ...probably true for most teams
well except for one guy on my team who is likely the most under-valued veteran in the entire CPHL
It is obviously an inexact science. There are always gonna be quirks and there always have been (except that when ratings used to be disclosed no complained about players be rated too low). I know on my team some guys are overrated and some guys are underrated... it all evens out.
Not complaining, but here are some of the quirks on my roster:
- Scott Gomez is ranked equally with Darcy Tucker and Mike Leclerc
- Gomez has a higher defense rating than offense rating
- Derian Hatcher is the highest rated player on my team (5 OV points above Tanguay)
- Brent Burns is 2 OV points higher than Patrice Bergeron
- Dan Cloutier is rated 13 OV points higher than Mika Noronen
Originally posted by icarus@Jul 29 2004, 09:55 AM It is obviously an inexact science. There are always gonna be quirks and there always have been (except that when ratings used to be disclosed no complained about players be rated too low). I know on my team some guys are overrated and some guys are underrated... it all evens out.
Not complaining, but here are some of the quirks on my roster:
- Scott Gomez is ranked equally with Darcy Tucker and Mike Leclerc
- Gomez has a higher defense rating than offense rating
- Derian Hatcher is the highest rated player on my team (5 OV points above Tanguay)
- Brent Burns is 2 OV points higher than Patrice Bergeron
- Dan Cloutier is rated 13 OV points higher than Mika Noronen
believe me I tried to drive down Hatcher's value in the rerating...I guess I failed
My understanding of the rerating process was to look over the last three years for performance issues. If the last two years showed a marked improvement or drop off (or the three years performance was not indicative of the OV rating) then a change may be warranted IF the change is at least 3 points or more.
That said, there were also any special circumstances that might be considered, such as long term injury problems, etc.
Of the 552 players I reviewed, I moved 59 up and 44 down. Before I made a decision to recommend a rerate for any player, I looked at as much information as possible and looked for comparable players and their rankings.
I think that all went well and it was very clinical.
Now, I see I have two people rerated. Cechmanek and MacInnis. Hey, right away, I figured big Al might take a hit with his age and recent injury history. No problem.
But I have to wonder about Cechmanek. Yes, he had a poor season statistically on an LA team that set records for injuries over the season, and still almost made the playoffs.
In BOTH 2002 and 2003 Cechmanek was second in GAA and third in SV%. This year, on the injury riddled LA team, it wasn't so good.
Should he have dropped from an 86 OV? I wouldn't have done that. He fell to an 80.
But that isn't what really stands out.
Looking at his OTHER ratings his Puck Control fell a whopping 17 points, Intensity fell 14 points, Endurance fell 12 points, Skating fell 10 points and of all things his Experience fell 4 points. How do you lose experience? He was only at a 54 before.
Other drops: Durability fell 3 while Discipline fell 8 points.
Bottom line, this guy just got toasted off. Wow, just... wow.
