What is Keenan doing? Boyd has been one of our best players this year, looking like he is breaking out, noticeable every night, and now that Lombardi is back we see Boyd thrown back down to the 4th line. What has this guy done to have his ice time reduced? I think he has been our most consistent forward and yet he has spent more time this year on the 4th line then any other line which is where Conroy should be! Nothing like rewarding a young player who is breaking out and working his butt off by demoting him to the 4th line.
God, this team can be so frustrating...
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I don't know that he's set on ruining him, but I think its time to start giving the younger players on this team the opportunity to claim a spot. The only way to avoid suffering a total rebuild is to keep injecting youth in your lineup. I've never understood taking players who were high scoring in every league they played in, who get drafted with the idea of being a top six player in the future and putting them on a fourth line getting 6 minutes of ice time. If you ask me, Boyd has been around enough and has show that he deserves more. Lombardi has been around longer and aside from his speed, he hasn't shown anything, IMO, that shows he is going to ever reflect on the score sheet what you need out of your top six forwards. If Lombardi gets the ice time and still doesn't score points, Boyd should get moved back up ASAP.
Dustin Boyd has 9 point in 20 games and is a minus 4.
If that is consistency then I guess it shows why he is not in the top six because that type of consistency is not good enough.
I think Boyd has showed some very good things but certainly not enough that he shoudl be handed minutes and not enough that people should be outraged that "Keenan is ruining."
With all these threads blaming Keenan for things I wonder when guys like Boyd and Lombardi have to take responsibility for their own play and when it is starts to become their fault they are producing?
This blaming the coach for stunting players/teams growth seems very much like what Oiler fan does. It gives them the false hope that just changing one thing will propel the team to the greatness they believe it should be rather than looking at the players themselves.
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Ask Jiri Hudler and his 18 points or whatever he has this year about playing 4th line minutes when you are capable of more. Seems like Babcock, employing similar tactics with Hudler for the last 2 or 3 seasons that Keenan is toward Boyd this year, hasn't really ruined him so much as made him a better player.
What is Keenan doing? Boyd has been one of our best players this year, looking like he is breaking out, noticeable every night, and now that Lombardi is back we see Boyd thrown back down to the 4th line. What has this guy done to have his ice time reduced? I think he has been our most consistent forward and yet he has spent more time this year on the 4th line then any other line which is where Conroy should be! Nothing like rewarding a young player who is breaking out and working his butt off by demoting him to the 4th line.
God, this team can be so frustrating...
Replace the word Boyd with Lombardi and I agree with you. I was at the game last night and watched these 2 specifically. Lombardi got 1 (one) shift with the 2nd line at the start and was immediately demoted to the 4th line and Boyd centred Cammalleri and Bourque.
I guess all the Lombardi haters will say that last night he had a "chance" with the top 6 and couldn't do anything with it. Keenan is a joke.
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Lombardi looked worse than Prust normally does out there last night.
Boyd should not be losing his spot to him.
I couldn't disagree more. First of all, I think you have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt in his first game back after being out a month due to injury. Secondly, as he said after 1 shift he was demoted to the 4th line. And on that 4th line he played well, creating lots of chances and I thought he looked good.
Lombardi will be dealt by Sutter this year for a defenseman, but I have a feeling it's going to be a trade we all regret in the future.
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I guess we will all see what dustin is seeing when his contract is up.
Hum not really, I believe he is an RFA next season one we will most likely sign. He won't have free range too go anywhere for another 5 years or so when he becomes a UFA.
Then he should be in the minors. Fourth line work is for role players not developing scoring weapons.
Normally I would agree with you. 4th line icetime is not appropriate for talented players. See Steve Stamkos - I'm sure we're 100% in agreement that he should be getting big minutes in the minors as opposed to the crap he is currently getting.
However, Boyd is not getting consistant 4th line icetime.
Instead, he is getting more top line ice than he is 4th, and he is also getting consistant PP time. He is being given a taste and an understanding of what he needs to do to be effective. He is then given a message that a true top line professional has consistency in his game. He has to earn it.
I think Keenan is handling Boyd just fine.
Kipper on the other hand....
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What is Keenan doing? Boyd has been one of our best players this year, looking like he is breaking out, noticeable every night, and now that Lombardi is back we see Boyd thrown back down to the 4th line.
Dustin Boyd has 9 point in 20 games and is a minus 4.
If that is consistency then I guess it shows why he is not in the top six because that type of consistency is not good enough.
I think Boyd has showed some very good things but certainly not enough that he shoudl be handed minutes and not enough that people should be outraged that "Keenan is ruining."
With all these threads blaming Keenan for things I wonder when guys like Boyd and Lombardi have to take responsibility for their own play and when it is starts to become their fault they are producing?
This blaming the coach for stunting players/teams growth seems very much like what Oiler fan does. It gives them the false hope that just changing one thing will propel the team to the greatness they believe it should be rather than looking at the players themselves.
I dont agree with the original premise of the thread (dustin's being ruined), but part of the reason Boyd has 9 points in 20 games is his 1:50/night on the PP. Iginla, Bertuzzi, Langkow and Cammalleri all average 4 or more, with Jarome up near 6.
Boyd has 7 points at even-strength. Todd Bertuzzi, in contrast, has 5. Langkow also has 7. And Boyd has spent a lot of time with guys like Moss and Glencross, while Bertuzzi et al play with ostensibly superior line-mates (each other). They also get more ice at ES.
So Im not scrambling to condemn Keenan in regards to Boyd, let's give the kid some due credit.
Boyd has been given much more ice time and top line exposure than he had last year. He shows promise and you have to like what you see. Thing is, if bottom line time did not "destroy" him last year, why would it suddently ruin him this year?
I must say i was disappointed to see Boyd on the 4th line, not because i think he should be on the second but because i think Boyd fits in on that 3rd line way better then Conroy.
I must say i was disappointed to see Boyd on the 4th line, not because i think he should be on the second but because i think Boyd fits in on that 3rd line way better then Conroy.
Whats Boyds faceoff percentages compared to Conroys?
Why is Keenan set on ruining Dustin Boyd?
