Yes, it's another PPV rant thread, in August no less. If you do not like reading rants about Flames PPV, I will spare you your 5 minutes: please exit the thread now.
In addition to the 70 games on “conventional” TV, the Canucks are pleased to offer fans all remaining games on Canucks TV PPV. The format of Canucks TV allows for in-depth broadcast features and analysis throughout the course of the game. Canucks fans can look forward to a broadcast with, pre and post-game shows, complete game day coverage and no commercials. John Shorthouse and Tom Larscheid will call every game. Canucks TV Pay Per View games will be available in HD with further information regarding HD carriers available soon. Canucks TV carriers include, Shaw Digital Cable, Bell ExpressVu, Star Choice, & Telus TV.
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I'm sure most of you are familiar with the shoddy quality of the Flames PPV production in past seasons, and numerous request to Flames brass to keep up with the 21st century--and offer HD for your money were always met with indifference. The line of thinking seems to be: "the fans will pay anything to watch the games anyways, why bother improving?"
Quite frankly, as great of a guy as KK is, I'm tired of hearing the same BS spewed year after year at the STH meeting about how HD PPV cost more to produce than they can justify etc. etc. No, I do not have a MBA in marketing, but it would seem common sense that if you put out a good product, people will appreciate the quality and buy it happily. Holding your customers hostage (either buy the crappy version or do without at all) is not how you win fans over. Besides, if the Canucks of all teams are doing it, why can't we?
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So there you have it, at least I can say I don't have to watch those hideous Canuck jerseys in HD when my Canucklehead friend inevitably brag about this.
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Doesn't it come down to number of people buying the PPV? The more that buy, the more profitable that it is. So the question is, how many Canucks fans are there to Flames fans? And does Edmonton have all theirs in HD?
Doesn't it come down to number of people buying the PPV? The more that buy, the more profitable that it is. So the question is, how many Canucks fans are there to Flames fans? And does Edmonton have all theirs in HD?
Its a chicken and egg thing, I don't know how they do it but the picture quality is a bunch of steps below regular SD. I would buy more if they just had regular definition. Screw HD, they still haven't figured out SD.
Its a chicken and egg thing, I don't know how they do it but the picture quality is a bunch of steps below regular SD. I would buy more if they just had regular definition. Screw HD, they still haven't figured out SD.
No kiddin', the effects are that much more pronounced on a big screen, just brutal.
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Completely agree with the rant. It's silly to think that it is 2008 and we are still watching a broadcast that looks like it's coming from Tel Aviv over rabbit ears…Especially at that price.
What even gets me MORE steamed is when the game IS in HD on NHL CI through another broadcaster and those of us in the Flames region have to pay a premium to watch the game in SD, even though we paid $200 for NHL CI as well.
I had went on a tour of the building after a game with Ken King last year. One of the people in our group asked King'r if we would be getting PPV games in HD. He said to have the PPV games in HD the cost is double, and at that time the Flames were not happy with the production value of the PPV games as it was.
And if any of you watched any of the PPV games last year you could easily see why the Flames were not happy.
I for one would purchase more PPV games if they were offered in HD. As it is i'll mabye order 2 or 3 throughout the season, my eyes just can't handle any more.
Im telling you Shaw refuses to do PPV in HD in Alberta....not the Flames...that is the fact...Oilers will not get HD Either...put the blame where it belongs...the Carriers...why do you think you cant get TSN2 yet in Alberta...frikken Shaw.
The Senators have had their own HD PPV station on Bell for a year now. Channel 870 for any who care and I think we can compete with their audience numbers, so what's wrong with the Flames marketing or have they just become blase because they make enough money.
People bitch about the cost already.
At that cost, given the buy rates, the Flames have yet to make a profit on PPV in the 3 years they've had it.
Add heavily increased production values (although they are likely coming down) and that break even cost is likely 30-40% higher.
Thus, are the Flames missing out on an extra 30-40% of potential viewers who are choosing not to watch those games, simply because they aren't on HD? Unlikely.
Again, the alternative is those games not on TV. Nice to have the choice.
Comparing the market size of Greater Vancouver + Van. Isle + Interior and Nothern BC vs. mainly Southern Alberta and parts of Sask and Man also contributes to the factoring.
I don't blame Shaw, its the Flames that have to fit the bill to do the production. I also don't blame the Flames...as much as people expect them to bend over backwards and give give and give in almost everyway, they aren't a charity that keeps on giving. Until PPV's generate numbers in the black and not in the red, its not a smart business decision, like it or not.
Yes it is a chicken and the egg thing, but I really think there's not enough interest and hard viewership numbers in total, to justify the cost for the Flames for the dramatic increased cost of PPV..the slight increase in viewers when HD is introduced, it would not likely cover the increased cost either.
My chicken laid a couple of HD reciever eggs in my house and theres zero chance I would pay for crappy SD.
If I want crappy quality PPV I'll watch it on a 4x6 popup screen on my PC for free.
exactly. there is no way i'll pay for an inferior product when those outside the Calgary market can get an HD broadcast of that same game for free with their CI package. the whole point of PPV is to enhance the regular broadcast, put in extras to make the $12 worthwhile over a regular free televised game. when that "enhanced" broadcast is worse than the run of the mill fare though then why bother?
People bitch about the cost already.
At that cost, given the buy rates, the Flames have yet to make a profit on PPV in the 3 years they've had it.
Add heavily increased production values (although they are likely coming down) and that break even cost is likely 30-40% higher.
Thus, are the Flames missing out on an extra 30-40% of potential viewers who are choosing not to watch those games, simply because they aren't on HD? Unlikely.
Again, the alternative is those games not on TV. Nice to have the choice.
Comparing the market size of Greater Vancouver + Van. Isle + Interior and Nothern BC vs. mainly Southern Alberta and parts of Sask and Man also contributes to the factoring.
I don't blame Shaw, its the Flames that have to fit the bill to do the production. I also don't blame the Flames...as much as people expect them to bend over backwards and give give and give in almost everyway, they aren't a charity that keeps on giving. Until PPV's generate numbers in the black and not in the red, its not a smart business decision, like it or not.
Yes it is a chicken and the egg thing, but I really think there's not enough interest and hard viewership numbers in total, to justify the cost for the Flames for the dramatic increased cost of PPV..the slight increase in viewers when HD is introduced, it would not likely cover the increased cost either.
Here we go again.
People bitch about the cost already.
At that cost, given the buy rates, the Flames have yet to make a profit on PPV in the 3 years they've had it (citation needed).
Add heavily increased production values (although they are likely coming down) and that break even cost is likely 30-40% higher (citation needed).
Thus, are the Flames missing out on an extra 30-40% of potential viewers, who are choosing not to watch those games, simply because they aren't on HD? Unlikely.
Again, the alternative is those games not on TV. Nice to have the choice.
Comparing the market size of Greater Vancouver + Van. Isle + Interior and Nothern BC vs. mainly Southern Alberta and parts of Sask and Man also contributes to the factoring.
I don't blame Shaw, its the Flames that have to fit the bill to do the production. I also don't blame the Flames...as much as people expect them to bend over backwards and give give and give in almost everyway, they aren't a charity that keeps on giving. Until PPV's generate numbers in the black and not in the red, its not a smart business decision, like it or not.
Yes it is a chicken and the egg thing, but I really think there's not enough interest and hard viewership numbers in total, to justify the cost for the Flames for the dramatic increased cost of PPV..the slight increase in viewers when HD is introduced, it would not likely cover the increased cost either.
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Reading the thread title, I simply assumed that Jpold and Jroc came out of the closet and have a love baby together.
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They should be looking 3-5 years down the road and thinking about what they want to put out as a product then, and then planning out how they are going to get there. Doing it as cheaply as possible is not "planning", and if they can't afford to do it properly they might as well sign over the rights to someone who can.
Right now the product is simply abysmal because the production values are unacceptable. The number one issue I have, and that others seem to have, is that the picture quality is not even good SD - it looks like something from some 80's UHF station. Maybe this is a limitation of the equipment, or maybe it is the provider that is at fault - but really, why should we care? All the intermission extras and the little vignettes don't mean doodly if you spend the whole time squinting at the picture trying to figure out why it sucks.
In my mind, if they are going to spend money fixing the picture, they might as well spend it upgrading to HD - it has to be done in the long run anyway, so why not? If they are going to lose money on it now, they are going to lose money on it in 5 years as well because they sure aren't going to build a loyal audience by putting out crap. Do it right and you might see results in the future. Do it half-assed and it is not going to be a surprise that the whole enterprise just limps along and never justifies the effort.
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HD PPV: Nuckleheads have it, we still don't
