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View Poll Results: Most important factor in the Flames becoming a contender this season?
Kiprusoff back to form / Team Defense 221 80.36%
Bertuzzi replacing Tanguay's production 0 0%
secondary scoring 32 11.64%
Mike Keenan not losing the room 6 2.18%
Dion Phaneuf taking another big step 0 0%
Special Teams 16 5.82%
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:28 AM   #1
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What factor is most important in the Flames moving from a bubble team to a solid contender this season?
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:32 AM   #2
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Kipprusoff back to form. If he was himself last year, he might have been able to steal 5 more games, which would have won us the division....etc..
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:32 AM   #3
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One word.....Kiprusoff, if he can regain his form from 04-06 on a consistent level, the Flames will be a force. He showed spurts of brilliance last year but was it was not enough on the whole. I hate to use the old goaltending cliche as being the key to success, but I think this team will be very strong should they get solid goaltending.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:32 AM   #4
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All of them are important, and almost went with secondary scoring, but Kipper being crazy good is the #1 factor I think.

One other possible option is a return to a more defensive style game.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:33 AM   #5
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I vote...none of the above.

to me the single most important thing for this club to be anywhere near the sum of their parts is a commitment to team defense.

Forwards coming back hard to their own end...gap control between the D and the opposition...and Kiprusoff playing as well as he can...all 3 must be better or they miss the dance alltogether IMO.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:34 AM   #6
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Without a doubt this has to be on Kipper and team defence. If we can be a little more stingy and he can steal a few more games and be ready to stand on his head come playoff time, we'll win the division and make it out of the first round.
If we give up a lot of quality scoring chances because of defensive breakdowns, odd man rushes and break-aways and Kipper plays like he did last year, we may not make the playoffs.

Edit: wow everybody seems to be on the same wavelength. Better team defence = good
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:36 AM   #7
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I dont think this one will be close.

Those other factors are important to varying degrees, but none of them touch Kiprusoff. If he gets back to, say, a .915SV% it would shave nearly 20 goals from the GA column. That's massive.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:38 AM   #8
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team D
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:42 AM   #9
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Without a doubt this has to be on Kipper and team defence. If we can be a little more stingy and he can steal a few more games and be ready to stand on his head come playoff time, we'll win the division and make it out of the first round.
If we give up a lot of quality scoring chances because of defensive breakdowns, odd man rushes and break-aways and Kipper plays like he did last year, we may not make the playoffs.
With out a doubt these two elements are the most crucial. For the Flames style of hockey our defense can't be lazy or sub-par. Kipper as mentioned needs to steal a few games because the competition is so dam tight that an extra 6-10 points is going to make the difference.

I believe we have a great core of D, with Gio back and with the youth of Pardy (possibly) I feel they will be quicker and better moving the puck. Our offense will be fine I have no worries about how they will preform.

As always Defense wins championships and we have that.

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Old 08-08-2008, 09:42 AM   #10
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Role players - the third and fourth line guys. The last few years I think that has been an issue.

Also the Flames need to introduce a rookie or two that has an impact on our team.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:42 AM   #11
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Depends on how you define success?

If it is making the playoffs then several options are good, if it is going far then i picked Mike Keenan not losing the room. I am reading between the lines in the fact that the team to be successful must play as a team and do the little things that made them successful a few seasons ago.

It is not all about Mike K but about leadership.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:43 AM   #12
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I had team D as another option but thought it would be a wash with the Kiprusoff thing since they go so hand in hand.

I think Kiprusoff playing more solid sets up the level of trust needed so players can do their own jobs and not cover for the guy beside them. It all stems from that. Stopping the first shot, rebound control.
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I vote...none of the above.

to me the single most important thing for this club to be anywhere near the sum of their parts is a commitment to team defense.

Forwards coming back hard to their own end...gap control between the D and the opposition...and Kiprusoff playing as well as he can...all 3 must be better or they miss the dance alltogether IMO.
Agreed 110%.
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Kiprusoff's return to form for me.

But more importantly, the whole team needs to work as a cohesive unit. The forwards need to use their speed to come back and be aggressive by putting back pressure on opposing forwards.

Kiprusoff is the last line of defence, and with forwards providing more pressure above the hash marks it gives the defence more opportunity to keep control of the front of the net and I think we see less scramble and rebound goals against.
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I had team D as another option but thought it would be a wash with the Kiprusoff thing since they go so hand in hand.

I think Kiprusoff playing more solid sets up the level of trust needed so players can do their own jobs and not cover for the guy beside them. It all stems from that. Stopping the first shot, rebound control.

I dont disagree at all...but I will say that so many of those 1st shots were from such good areas on the ice, rebound control was difficult at best regardless what some resident experts here claim.

Sure, Kiprusoff let in a bunch of poor goals as well from bad angles/weak shots, so yes he may very well be the catalyst for a better defensive game, but it will take all 3 areas to be better before that can happen.
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I had team D as another option but thought it would be a wash with the Kiprusoff thing since they go so hand in hand.

I think Kiprusoff playing more solid sets up the level of trust needed so players can do their own jobs and not cover for the guy beside them. It all stems from that. Stopping the first shot, rebound control.
I agree and disagree. Team D and Kipper are two different elements that can work to win when the other isn't doing so hot. Personally I think the order goes Kipper first, Team D second. We've all seen kiprusoff come in and play amazing when the team is player average. To me if that is happening then winning consistently is easier.

example: In the 04 season (I know I know) when we played in Philly, it was like 3-2 win I believe with McAmmond scoring in OT. That game (to me) was one that could be considered a "steal" because of the way Kipper kept the team in it long enough to win.

Thus IMO Kipper above all else is our biggest ingredient for a successful/strong run to the cup.
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I vote...none of the above.

to me the single most important thing for this club to be anywhere near the sum of their parts is a commitment to team defense.

Forwards coming back hard to their own end...gap control between the D and the opposition...and Kiprusoff playing as well as he can...all 3 must be better or they miss the dance alltogether IMO.
Yeah this would have been my choice if it was up there. I think Kiprusoff will be fine I'm more concerned about the forwards commiting to a team D concept.
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I had team D as another option but thought it would be a wash with the Kiprusoff thing since they go so hand in hand.

I think Kiprusoff playing more solid sets up the level of trust needed so players can do their own jobs and not cover for the guy beside them. It all stems from that. Stopping the first shot, rebound control.
Maybe change Kiprusoff returning to form / team defence in the poll
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Was tempted to vote special teams, but I seem to recall that as horrible as they were at the start of the year, the guys were pretty good the rest of the season... so I voted Kipper/D
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Maybe change Kiprusoff returning to form / team defence in the poll
I voted Kipper but this is what I mean.

They need to be a top 10 defensive team. Maybe top 5
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