I am not convinced kipper's big contract was good for flames. Kipper is 32 years old, and maybe he has seen his best years behind? He is making 8 million this season, and there is no way he has played like a 8 mil goaltender in his last 2 seasons.
Personally I think it's too much, but I guess we'll know for sure this upcoming season.
Given the discussion on this forum the last week or so I think it's pretty obvious that Miikka Kiprusoff has replaced Alex Tanguay and Kristian Huselius as the next player to be driven out of town by the fans.
Laughable.
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Given the discussion on this forum the last week or so I think it's pretty obvious that Miikka Kiprusoff has replaced Alex Tanguay and Kristian Huselius as the next player to be driven out of town by the fans.
Laughable.
what? I was questioning his fat contract. I didn't want to drive him out of town.
Too early to tell. If you go by last year's standards, yes. Time will tell what shape he comes into camp and what his positioning is like.
Positioning was the big difference I noticed in Kipper last year. Prior to that, he had this great inate sense of where the puck was coming from or where it was going. I never saw as much of that last year. Yes, our defense was weaker but in prior years, Kipper would win a lot of games for the Flames when the team in front of him was not necessarily his best ally.
Fact of the matter is, he is a great goalie and one bad year, or better to say, one off Kipper year, is no reason to panic and run him out of town. You don't replace people like a star goalie that easily. I think it is the hardest position to fill.
I think the salary he makes this year means nothing. It is all about the hit to the cap. With a 6.5 cap hit for one of the top goalies I don't think that is overpaying at all.
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Given the discussion on this forum the last week or so I think it's pretty obvious that Miikka Kiprusoff has replaced Alex Tanguay and Kristian Huselius as the next player to be driven out of town by the fans.
This can't be known at this time. Only Kippers performance during the following years can determine whether he's overpaid or not. If he's the goalie of last season, then yes. If he regains the Vezina form, then certainly not. It remains to be seen where he'll land.
I think the salary he makes this year means nothing. It is all about the hit to the cap. With a 6.5 cap hit for one of the top goalies I don't think that is overpaying at all.
I thought his cap hit is 5.8mil?
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Considering the style of play the Flames have incorporated lately, I am not sure that you will find too many goalies in the league who could be much better, in fact i would bet you wouldn't.
The economics of the game dictate that if you play like an 8 million dollar goalie, but don't get paid like one, eventually you will get paid like an 8 million dollar goalie, but not play like one...only time will tell if that holds true for Kipper.
You can pinpoint the day that all the efforts over the previous 7 years too turn this franchise around manifested into results on the ice, that was the day that Kipper arrived, he was the missing piece and that provided the needed confidence for the rest of the team as well.
If its 5.8 then that's even better. Honestly I wasn't 100% sure when I said 6.5.
Kipper is the 5th highest paid goalie in the league in terms of cap-hit next year (Lundqvist, Khabibulin, Luongo and Giguere are above him). Marty Turco, Tomas Vokoun, Evgeni Nabokov and Martin Brodeur all make less than him. His actual salary next year (8M) is the highest in the NHL at his position.
For the Flames owners and management to get value out of his contract, Kipper will have to be a top 5 'tender next year and in the conceivable future.
If its 5.8 then that's even better. Honestly I wasn't 100% sure when I said 6.5.
$5.833 to be exact. Another beauty thread! I think you and others may be expecting god like performances game in game out. It just doesn't happen.
39 freakin' wins and this is apparently a "bad" year? I would look at the Flames as a whole before I point Kipper out for last year. He was left out to dry on more than a few occassions.
I would say about 20 other NHL clubs would do alot of things to have Kipper for $5.833 for 6 years. Goalies are like no other where they get better with age.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
I am not convinced kipper's big contract was good for flames. Kipper is 32 years old, and maybe he has seen his best years behind? He is making 8 million this season, and there is no way he has played like a 8 mil goaltender in his last 2 seasons.
Personally I think it's too much, but I guess we'll know for sure this upcoming season.
this might be the worst of the summer threads so far - that says a lot.
Seriously, you need to sober up before posting on here.
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I believe top goalies are underpaid throughout the league. They can singlehandedly turn a bad team into a playoff team. No other single player can do that. Hopefully Kipper can get back on track.
I can see where people might see it as an overpayment if their analysis is solely stat based. But, face it, there aren't enough solid number one goaltenders to go around. Other teams would've paid as much, if not more, if the only thing between them and the cup was an elite goaltender.
Kipper will be fine, IMO, and if he didn't get the money here he would've gotten it somewhere else. Looking at the goaltending prospects already in the organization and the goalies potentially available around the league, I'd rather pay Kipper to stay here. Its a no brainer.
I don't really care that much about how much a player makes in a given year. To me, it's cap hit that is the most important. If Kiprusoff can return to form, his cap hit is fair. If he can't then it will be a bit of burden.
He is a big wild card at this point imo. He knows he had a poor season last year, and I am sure that he has a sense of responsibility to be better given his contract. This team will live and die on how he plays next season.
I usually put more weight on a player's previous season when trying to predict how they will do, rather than going back further years, but the optimist in me considers that Kiprusoff did get gradually better last season, and was very good in the playoffs.
I believe top goalies are underpaid throughout the league. They can singlehandedly turn a bad team into a playoff team. No other single player can do that. Hopefully Kipper can get back on track.
Absolutely - like pitchers in baseball and skips on curling teams.
Had we let him go and gambled on anyone less proven than him, it may have been a disaster for us.
I'm still hopeful they get someone to play 10 to 20 games to give him a rest now and then. I think he's the type that has to be paired with another goalie, as the 82 game season is far too taxing for him.
If you don't spend the money on a Vezina winning goalie who was a big part of turning the franchise around and getting it to the Stanley Cup finals, where do you spend it? Look at his wins.
I agree with some of the other posters here, Flames fans expect 100% invincibility in goal, nothing less. Unrealistic. We have a solid goaltender and I'm glad he's going to stabilize that position for the forseeable future.
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I am not convinced kipper's big contract was good for flames. Kipper is 32 years old, and maybe he has seen his best years behind? He is making 8 million this season, and there is no way he has played like a 8 mil goaltender in his last 2 seasons.
Personally I think it's too much, but I guess we'll know for sure this upcoming season.
I find it hilarious how easily people forget Kiprusoff's past performances.
Anybody watch the playoff run in 2004? How about last season vs. Detroit?
You don't see a goaltender play better then that.
Since Kiprusoff has become a Flame we haven't missed the playoffs.
Pretty good track record if you ask me.
145 Wins, 80 Losses, 23 Shutouts as a Calgary Flame.
Career regular season: 2.37 GAA, .915 SV%, 26 shutouts.
Career playoffs: 2.19 GAA, .925 SV%, 6 shutouts.
You have to pay if you want a top 5 goalie to play on your team. What were you planning on paying him?
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Did Flames overpay for Kipper?
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