Question: RFA Offers (We saw it in the NHL, CPHL?)
Well we saw Lowe give a 7 year 50 M dollar offer sheet to Tomas Vanek in the NHL this morning. Darcy Regier was upset stating they were going to match all along but revenge will take place on the Oiler RFAs. My question is, if someone were to make RFA offers on your players, would you be pissed off or would you gladly take the compensation? (Just stating general case, nothing to do with my strategy lol. My budget is at the max, lol )
I had two players RFA'd last season.... (although one was overturned)... I was pretty upset. The one that was an RFA offer was easy to match (Horton at 4million)... but the other one Bernier at 4million was a tough one... i ended up rushing to get key RFAs like Nagy signed quickly so that i didnt get more.
I think the whole Trevor Daley thing last year upset a few gm's. I dont think I would ever make a offer to another teams player. It is well within the rules so if it happened to me I dont think I would be to upset but i would be looking to get even.
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I would definitely be vindictive about it had the GM not previously contacted me and made a proper trade offer. If the GM had got a hold of me prior and made a trade offer, or asked to begin trade discussions, than I might be a bit less hostile.
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I would definitely be vindictive about it had the GM not previously contacted me and made a proper trade offer. If the GM had got a hold of me prior and made a trade offer, or asked to begin trade discussions, than I might be a bit less hostile.
Yup, I think that's the key here. If you want the player, contact the team and express your interest. See if a deal can be worked out first.
As for potential backlash, I think we all witnessed the drama that ensued after the Trevor Daley fiasco.
It's not a tactic I like. I've been on the receiving end of some of it and it does mess up your plans. But we've also changed the rules this year to make the compensation more equitable.
If you are thinking about making an RFA an offer - know that you are risking losing an asset from your organization that you value more.
The difference this year is that compensation will be roster players and draft picks and prospects. If it was just picks, I'm sure you'd see more offers, but unless you have a really deep team, who can afford to give up roster players to sign a RFA? You might as well just trade for him
The difference this year is that compensation will be roster players and draft picks and prospects. If it was just picks, I'm sure you'd see more offers, but unless you have a really deep team, who can afford to give up roster players to sign a RFA? You might as well just trade for him
Yup and depending on how things play out the system reaches a point where the GM loses control. For instance you might sign a forward you really like a lot, and then lose a dman as compensation and suddenly find yourself short on the blueline.
I'm quite curious to see if anyone has the brass ones to do it this year.
I know that I would be pretty unhappy with a GM if they used this tactic and had not tried to trade for the player ahead of time. I know that its legal and all, but it still seems underhanded somehow!
Yeah the way things work now, there is really no reason for a GM not to try and work out a trade first, because in the end with fair compenstation having to go back in return then a "trade" is going to have to be worked out eventually.
I'm quite curious to see if anyone has the brass ones to do it this year.
If there is a team with a lot of cap and not many good players/prospects to begin with then you could see an offer of some sort. For that team they would care less what compensation is awarded. The Kings are against such tactics and feel it is a cheap, cowardly way to build a team. With that said it will be interesting to see who the Kevin Lowe of the CPHL might be...
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The thing is that if the panel determines that the team can't sufficiently compensate the other team the offer will be voided. So you could try it, but it would be pointless.
Although I think the league should consider calling it the Kevin Lowe rule now.
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I agree with pretty much what everyone has said so far. I'd be upset as well if an RFA offer sheet was made if I didn't know about it. If they told me in advance(and not just an hour or anything) or tried to acquire the player before hand then i'd be cool with it.
I don't see to many offer sheets happening this rfa period.
The whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of being contacted about the said player, I was played for a fool by the GM. I was stabbed in the back. I won't get into major details about what happened because it is done and in the past.
I think if the proper measures are taken, RFA offers don't have to be super ugly. For example, contact the GM before hand and see if you can work out a trade.
Just my personal feelings and opinions on the subject.
Under the old rules it was definately a cheap move to make an offer on an RFA. Everyone knew that compensation wasn't nearly enough and still, some felt the need to double the salary of a player on another team.
With the new system I wouldn't be as mad about it. Now that compensation is fair, the team who has the RFA actually has a choice. It's not nearly as bad.
As an agent last year it was fun SHOPPING RFA around but there were very few takers..I suspect we will see zero offer sheets in the CPHL...Too Much anger
I must confess....I have considered making offers for a couple of RFAs, but I am reluctant to do so until I see the precedent-setting compensation being offered by the CPHL. Think I'll take a wait-and-see approach...I don't want to be the guenia pig.
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If I get the commishes ok, man could I tell you a RFA story to end all RFA stories. All parties envolved are no longer in the league nor would I mention names... its done with, but as a story I'm sure it would be an enjoyable and educational read.
Many thanks to Kris and Grant at the time, no one was ever interested or asked for my side of the story, and I was always thankfull that they were a sounding board for me and relieved tons of frustration.
Question: RFA Offers (We saw it in the NHL, CPHL?)
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