Didn't see this anywhere...fits in with some of the information in the other NHLPA thread...I am wondering if this is going to mean the end of the salary cap structure in the NHL...
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Major League Baseball Players Association executive director Donald Fehr, MLBPA general counsel Michael Weiner and former National Basketball Players Association executive director Charles Grantham are scheduled to meet with members of the NHLPA in Toronto this month.
The plan is for Fehr, Weiner and Grantham to help the NHLPA plot its future without former executive director Ted Saskin, who was fired with cause last month. Taking part in the meeting will be as many NHLPA player representatives as available, along with any players in the Southern Ontario area who wish to attend.
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"[Grantham] said we need a forensic accountant to keep an eye on the owners," Chelios said. "That's what the NBA did and [the owners] got caught. [Grantham] said we have the worst deal in sports and all we can do is make sure the money is there and it's all accounted for."
Chelios is a funny guy. The "worst deal in sports" prevented 25% of you from being unemployed when 6-8 teams went bankrupt, and has linked your finances to the health of the league. The more money the NHL makes, the more money you do. Since revenue has gone to 2.2 billion this year I'm not sure what the problem is.
Tough gig.
Nice to see you still think the owners are trying to cheat you. A fair point - there is a history of that in the NHL, but if it takes a baseball or basketball guy to tell you you need to be accounting for the money....well you are even dumber than you look Chris.
The salary cap structure is here to stay. The only thing the NHLPA could do would be to hold out again. And it worked so well the last time...
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Chelios is a funny guy. The "worst deal in sports" prevented 25% of you from being unemployed when 6-8 teams went bankrupt, and has linked your finances to the health of the league. The more money the NHL makes, the more money you do. Since revenue has gone to 2.2 billion this year I'm not sure what the problem is.
Tough gig.
Nice to see you still think the owners are trying to cheat you. A fair point - there is a history of that in the NHL, but if it takes a baseball or basketball guy to tell you you need to be accounting for the money....well you are even dumber than you look Chris.
The salary cap structure is here to stay. The only thing the NHLPA could do would be to hold out again. And it worked so well the last time...
###, a perfect post!
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Becasue in MLB it is so entertaining watching the Royals, a once proud franchise, wither away.
I prefer the NFL where the Green Bay packers can be competitive, and when they aren't it is a player/management issue, not a "small market" issue.
A league of haves and have-nots may be good for the have-teams and the top players, but it is not good for the league as a whole.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the MLB and NBA are like the two friends from high school that, thanks to one of their mom's, has to hang out with their little brother, the NHL?
"If you're going to talk about unions and CBAs, make sure you take your little brother!"
"But Maaaaaaaaaaaam..."
It's like Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemiux having a meeting with David Hale on how to score more.
It's just funny to me that the two MAJOR major leagues are spending the time with the NHL, which appariently, not many people in the states care for.
"[Grantham] said we need a forensic accountant to keep an eye on the owners," Chelios said. "That's what the NBA did and [the owners] got caught.
They have that right. . . . . . and its a good idea for the NHLPA, in fact a good idea for both parties to ensure a clean, honest relationship where there are few, if any, secrets.
Secrets can be poisonous.
Of course, Dowbiggin and Brooks appear to be saying lately that the NHL is actually inflating attendance numbers and claiming its making more money than it actually is . . . . so it would be fairly ironic if an NHLPA forensic analysis exposed a league inflating its revenue numbers, resulting in a pay cut for players.
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I still don't understand the idea of "us vs them" in terms of dealing with sports unions and owners. I think the NHLPA and the NHL are in a really good position with them working together. Sure you've got to keep an eye on the owners, but they hardly have the worst CBA in sports.
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Who are the people in charge of this product and why haven't they been fired?
Maybe the NHLPA should focus on getting a President and a Chairman before they waste their time with this. Right now, that organization is a joke at best especially when some of their guys complain.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the MLB and NBA are like the two friends from high school that, thanks to one of their mom's, has to hang out with their little brother, the NHL?
"If you're going to talk about unions and CBAs, make sure you take your little brother!"
"But Maaaaaaaaaaaam..."
It's like Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemiux having a meeting with David Hale on how to score more.
It's just funny to me that the two MAJOR major leagues are spending the time with the NHL, which appariently, not many people in the states care for.
I just think they are worried that if the NHL becomes successful that their own owners will try to emulate the model.
I don't think MLBPA has anything to worry about - too many owners want to throw money around. But the NBA has declining ratings (from what I have read) and there perenially seems to be teams in trouble and/or moving (Seattle is the current one threatening). They already have a cap but if owners decide they want linkage then perhaps there won't be as many NBA players on that top 50 list.
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
I still don't understand the idea of "us vs them" in terms of dealing with sports unions and owners. I think the NHLPA and the NHL are in a really good position with them working together. Sure you've got to keep an eye on the owners, but they hardly have the worst CBA in sports.
Yeah, it's really incredible. As much as people like to say the owners won the last standoff, it sure looks like the "partnership" Bettman was going on and on about has come to fruitition. Chelios and his friends don't appear interested in working in that environment and prefer to go back to the adverserial past. Some of these players have such big egos to think fans come to see them play. I think it was made very clear during the lockout and those pond hockey leagues with NHL players that for the most part, fans come to see teams play, not 90% of the players.
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Any CBA that clarifies that the Oilers suck because of Owners/Management/Players and not because of "small-market" is a CBA that gets my vote.
I like this. I'm a big NBA fan... I love how the players have personality and don't sound like walking cliche-bots. I wish the NHL Owners could force the players to go to the same parties and hang out with all the NBA players. Sure, maybe a few of them might start carrying guns in their cars - but at least I'd start caring about what they say, and trusting that they actually believe what they're saying.
Any CBA that clarifies that the Oilers suck because of Owners/Management/Players and not because of "small-market" is a CBA that gets my vote.
I like this. I'm a big NBA fan... I love how the players have personality and don't sound like walking cliche-bots. I wish the NHL Owners could force the players to go to the same parties and hang out with all the NBA players. Sure, maybe a few of them might start carrying guns in their cars - but at least I'd start caring about what they say, and trusting that they actually believe what they're saying.
Call me crazy, but I never, ever want to see an NHL player acting like an NBA player. Ever. The inflated egos in that league make me sick, and the constant troubles with the law, etc. You very rarely see that in the world of hockey--and I like that.
I don't want the NHL going anywhere near either of those leagues for advice, they might feel they have the worst deal in sports--but that would probably be because the NHL makes the least money in sports.
I kind of like the idea that an investigation might lower player salaries--I'd love to see Chelios have to eat crow.
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The inflated egos in that league make me sick, and the constant troubles with the law, etc. You very rarely see that in the world of hockey--and I like that.
Wittynickname I'd like you to meet Ed Belfour, Eddy, this is witty......
Wittynickname I'd like you to meet Ed Belfour, Eddy, this is witty......
I didn't say you NEVER see it, I said RARELY.
And generally if there are problems, it's alcohol, and even THAT is rare. It isn't as if there are monthly problems of guys getting caught on drugs and weapons charges--it's a rare occurance for any NHL player to get in trouble with the law.
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Didn't see this anywhere...fits in with some of the information in the other NHLPA thread...I am wondering if this is going to mean the end of the salary cap structure in the NHL...
It will only mean the end of the salary cap structure in the NHL if the owners cave. Given the last lockout lasted a year, and during that time, only one owner blinked - not that the Leafs were ever onside with restricting their ability to buy slightly competitive teams - while the union caved in on itself and had a collapse so hard the old MLB umpires union was laughing at them.
It will be a good long time before the union is unified enough to present a unified front, while the owners are unified. Quite the change from 13 years ago.
And generally if there are problems, it's alcohol, and even THAT is rare. It isn't as if there are monthly problems of guys getting caught on drugs and weapons charges--it's a rare occurance for any NHL player to get in trouble with the law.
I know, but I figured I'd throw it out there.......
Call me crazy, but I never, ever want to see an NHL player acting like an NBA player. Ever. The inflated egos in that league make me sick, and the constant troubles with the law, etc. You very rarely see that in the world of hockey--and I like that.
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Theron Fleury, Mike Danton, Todd Bertuzzi, Ed Belfour, Dan Heatley, Marty McSorley, or Rick Tocchet ring any bells? I could keep going...
Hockey players are far from perfect. Hockey is a smaller market and it is not big news when a NHL player gets in trouble.
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Theron Fleury, Mike Danton, Todd Bertuzzi, Ed Belfour, Dan Heatley, Marty McSorley, or Rick Tocchet ring any bells? I could keep going...
Hockey players are far from perfect. Hockey is a smaller market and it is not big news when a NHL player gets in trouble.
Again, I never said that anyone was perfect, and they indeed are not. But think about how often you hear about an NFL, NBA, or MLB player getting arrested for possestion of narcotics, or illegal possession of a weapon, or domestic abuse, etc, etc, etc. It happens far more often in other sports, but as a general rule, most NHL players are pretty clean of any trouble that extensive--it's why a case like that of Mike Danton was so shocking, because it is so rare, and so unusual. It does happen on occasion, of course, but the percentage is lower in the NHL than most, if not all, of the other three major sports.
Think of the number of current NBA, NFL, and MLB players who have been in trouble with the law, for anything from steroid use to assault and battery and possession of drugs or weapons, steroid usage, etc. There is a pretty high number of high profile players, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Michael Vick, Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, etc.
For example, this article (while a bit dated, from 2003) shows a list of various athletes who have been in trouble with the law, and on a list this long, even just using the law of averages, you would assume at least one hockey player would be included--but no, not a single one:
What about all the problems Kobe Bryant faced a few years ago after the incident in Colorado? It seems every other week you hear about NFL players getting arrested for one thing or another, there was the Pacman Jones thing not all that long ago, there's the constant debate over steroids in baseball...
Unless I have missed a whole lot of cases, the ratio of players in the NHL with a history of trouble with the law is much lower than that of the other three major sports.
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