The puck got away from Sedin, he knew Doughty had the angle to get the puck first so he goes down easy.
You keep talking about them being smart with their dives. Dives are stupid, doesn't matter where you do it. When you dive over and over what you do think is going to happen, people are going to think you are diving even if you arent and rightfully so.
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The puck got away from Sedin, he knew Doughty had the angle to get the puck first so he goes down easy.
You keep talking about them being smart with their dives. Dives are stupid, doesn't matter where you do it. When you dive over and over what you do think is going to happen, people are going to think you are diving even if you arent and rightfully so.
Dives are stupid no doubt, but if you dive in the circles instead of clearing the puck, your probably going to get scored on. That's doubly stupid. Smart diving is just stupid, not doubly so.
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Dives are stupid no doubt, but if you dive in the circles instead of clearing the puck, your probably going to get scored on. That's doubly stupid. Smart diving is just stupid, not doubly so.
True but check the video again, Sedin poked the puck ahead and wasn't going to get it since Doughty had the angle. He did not have the puck when he fell.
It's a dive! Watch his foot that "lost an edge". When you lose a edge you fall hard and fast with foot that lost a edge leading the way. He picks that foot up with a cross over pattern. You can't do that when your edge fails, you don't have that kind of control. He was fishing hard for a penalty plain and simple. It's the way they play the game and it's encouraged by the captain, the management and th fans. Listen to the announcer that says Kesler goes down easy for such a big athletic guy, he then follows that up with diving is part of the game and it's ok to do. Brutal!!
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Who do you think he does put out against Richards next game? I don't think Sedin/Burrows would be a good match up for Van.
Kesler
only chance that switches is if Daniel comes back and he puts out the Sedin line against him, can't do it without Daniel because the puck possession with whomever the 3rd is if it's not him is nowhere near as good
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True but check the video again, Sedin lost or poked the puck ahead and wasn't going to get it. He did not have the puck when he fell.
I see what your saying. I though he still had the puck there, but he clearly did not have it, and it was also not likely to be kept in by doughty. Watching it another 5 times and I'm less convinced he lost an edge as he feet didn't start sliding out like a player that loses an edge. If anything, he tripped himself up on the cross over, and given his skating ability, that was probably at least partly on purpose.
My new verdict. Likely a dive as he went down easier than he needed too. Players almost never fall like that at that speed in the NHL. Even Pardy didn't fall like that. He usually fell when standing nearly still, or when starting to skate backwards. For that matter, even I don't fall like that, and I'm barely an average (as defined by a game of shinny) skater.
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There is ample evidence of both Sedin twins diving so why should we, as outsiders, give them the benefit of the doubt? As far as I am concerned, they are guilty until they are proven innocent. They have earned that because of their reputation.
It's a dive! Watch his foot that "lost an edge". When you lose a edge you fall hard and fast with foot that lost a edge leading the way. He picks that foot up with a cross over pattern. You can't do that when your edge fails, you don't have that kind of control. He was fishing hard for a penalty plain and simple. It's the way they play the game and it's encouraged by the captain, the management and th fans. Listen to the announcer that says Kesler goes down easy for such a big athletic guy, he then follows that up with diving is part of the game and it's ok to do. Brutal!!
Also, watch his body, instead of sliding out and falling straight down he carries his momentum up and forward. Without any question, a blatant dive.
With respect to both teams, there were too many factors that leads me to believe that neither team is superior at this given moment. Unfortunate delay of game penalties and 5-3 powerplay goals will not continue throughout this series. Luongo was making point blank glove saves and for the majority of the game, he was in position (insert sprawling in the back of the net comment here).
However, I cannot disagree with foolishness of the Vancouver organization. I dove once in my junior career and I was benched and made to feel like I was no longer part of my team. My dad lit me up and I had a one on one meeting with the coaching staff immediately after that game. How can it be that an ENTIRE organization allows such behaviour??
As a hockey fan, I want Vancouver to play well but have LA play better and win the series in legendary fashion. Unfortunately I can't see SuperKesler becoming anything better than a modern day Claude Lemieux. Be better Vancouver, play hockey.
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but Vigneault this morning said he doesn't know about the Kesler-Richards matchup going forward. Sounds like he doesn't know if Kesler can handle Richards.
I dont think theres any way Kesler can handle Richards. RIchards is a great playoff player, he kicks his performance into high gear in the playoffs, quite frankly, I dont think Kesler can match that.
Not to mention, while Kesler is busy pummeling the ice with his face and crying to referees about his big, mean opponents, Mike Richards is punishing anyone in blue.
I dont think enough is being made of Mike Richards' solid performance last night. He was exceptional.
Henrik Sedin dives sometimes, no argument there; but that wasn't a dive. For a guy who's as good as he as at protecting the puck he actually has pretty poor balance and you see it all year in plays that aren't even close to being dives. I swear he and Raymond are on their asses at least once a shift. I thought he embellished the tripping penalty in the 1st period far more than anything on the fall in the GIF.
Anyway, too bad there's not more talk about the actual game rather than GIFs and YouTube clips. I thought the Kings did an excellent job of neutralizing the Canucks' strengths and Richards was fantastic after a poor regular season. If the Canucks want to get back in the series they're going to make some adjustments and they'll need to keep it 5 on 5 because their PP is a joke and has been for the past 3 months. Which makes their embellishments even more head scratching.
Vancouver just gave that game away really. This gets a lot harder for them, as Quick is very capable of stealing a couple of games and wasn't relied upon at all in game 1.
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Henrik Sedin dives sometimes, no argument there; but that wasn't a dive. For a guy who's as good as he as at protecting the puck he actually has pretty poor balance and you see it all year in plays that aren't even close to being dives. I swear he and Raymond are on their asses at least once a shift. I thought he embellished the tripping penalty in the 1st period far more than anything on the fall in the GIF.
Anyway, too bad there's not more talk about the actual game rather than GIFs and YouTube clips. I thought the Kings did an excellent job of neutralizing the Canucks' strengths and Richards was fantastic after a poor regular season. If the Canucks want to get back in the series they're going to make some adjustments and they'll need to keep it 5 on 5 because their PP is a joke and has been for the past 3 months. Which makes their embellishments even more head scratching.
Would you say that Los Angeles Forward depth and forecheck were a problem for Vancouver?
Regarding the Kesler-Richards matchup. The guys on Team 1040 were saying that maybe putting Pahlsson on Richards would free up Kesler to do what he does. I personally don't think Pahlsson can handle Richards if the former Selke winner can't.
