Calgary Flames Draft 15th Overall in the 2015 Draft

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by flaming_potato

Teemu Selanne?

I don't think nationality should play a role in drafting a player, history is one thing but if they are not deemed a flight risk and are the BPA or worth trading up for it you do it.

Getting worked up over nationalities is what made a talent like Anze Kopitar fall out of the top ten. Classic version of the gamblers fallacy is going around in this thread too.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

LastWordOnSports has a glowing review of him but with flight risk Guryanov is ranked at their #45 overall.

45th you say...

[sureLoss]

Burke on Fan 960 says his ideal scenario would be to either stay at pick 15 or move up into to the top 10.

Then he admits moving up will likely be hard. Analytics guy tells him the most they are likely to move up is only 4 spots, so most likely they will stay at 15.

Thinks they will get a guy they have rated at 11 or 12 if they pick at 15 (i.e. a few teams will pick guys they have ranked lower)

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Burke on Fan 960 says his ideal scenario would be to either stay at pick 15 or move up into to the top 10.

Then he admits moving up will likely be hard. Analytics guy tells him the most they are likely to move up is only 4 spots, so most likely they will stay at 15.

Thinks they will get a guy they have rated at 11 or 12 if they pick at 15 (i.e. a few teams will pick guys they have ranked lower)

Just heard this interview. I love his candidness and his 'insider' look into how deals go leading into the draft.

My favorite line. 'If somebody brings up a deal on the floor, I think that's a fire-able offense'. lol

[1qqaaz]

So in terms of moving up, the only situation is moving up to 11, and picking someone who they are very high on? This would happen on the draft floor, since the desired player would still have to be available.

I'm assuming that other teams would want the highest of the second round picks for this kind of deal.

Is sacrificing the 45th pick to pick at 11th really worth it? If they were picking here, the Flames could have a shot at prospects like Werenski, Meier, or maybe even Provorov.

In my opinion, Provorov would definitely be worth it it he fell to the 11th spot.

[sureLoss]

If Provorov fell, I can easily see the Oilers offer 16 + 33 to move up and draft him.

Is that better than 15+45? I think so, but really depends on how far back a team wants to go.

[Vinny01]

I don't see how Provorov gets past Columbus at 8

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by 66Dukester

On another note why hasn't Treliving signed Dakota Mermis to an entry level contract, that kid is in his third Memorial Cup and is a free agent, he is playing huge minutes for the Generals. Brendan Ross says, "He’s an excellent skater, proven powerplay contributor and downright determined defender who was one of the key fixtures of the Gens blueline."

Story on Mermis in Toronto Star:

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/sport...portunity.html

My guess is flames don't want another undersized defenseman, but just a guess.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Just heard this interview. I love his candidness and his 'insider' look into how deals go leading into the draft.

My favorite line. 'If somebody brings up a deal on the floor, I think that's a fire-able offense'. lol

Yeah the parties would have already discussed a deal before the draft and if the player they wanted was still available it could be concluded on the floor. I guess what he means is that they stick to their plan.

[sureLoss]

Also of note Burke isn't necessarily against trading down to pickup another 2nd rounder.

He says the Flames call tiers "ledges", and if there are 5 guys before the next ledge they would trade down to 18 for example to get another 2nd.

[Ashasx]

I don't know. I'd be willing to give up quite a lot to move up to draft Provorov.

[Hackey]

I agree but it doesn't seem very likely to happen without an absurd overpayment.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think it's best that management stays put where they are.

There are always fallers in every draft.

[dammage79]

The Burke interview was some fantastic insight int this upcoming draft.

The highest a team has traded up in the 1 st round in recent history has been 4 spots.

Burke things they should either trade up or stay. Says Treliving is in the process of laying all the ground work with other teams to trade up or down.

[FlamesAddiction]

I hate trading down. If you trade down, you will always be looking at what could have been. Trading down with New York to see New Jersey draft Zajac with the very next pick while we picked his teammate Chucko always comes to mind, especially since it was speculated at the time that Zajac was the player we thought would fall. All just speculation of course, but it still bugs me.

Are they any situations where the team that traded down in the 1st round ended up getting the better player than the team they traded with?

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Are they any situations where the team that traded down in the 1st round ended up getting the better player than the team they traded with?

1. June 16, 1990 - Flames trade up to get New Jersey's 1st round pick, 11th overall pick
Flames GM: Cliff Fletcher
Devils GM: Lou Lamoriello
Scenario: Calgary traded two 2nd round picks (#29 and #24) and a 1st round pick (#20) to New Jersey in exchange for a 2nd round pick (#32) and a 1st round pick (#11)
Calgary selected G Trevor Kidd at #11, LW Vesa Viitakoski at #32
New Jersey selected G Martin Brodeur at #20, D David Harlock at #24, RW Chris Gotziaman at #29
Winner: New Jersey

http://flamesfrom80feet.blogspot.ca/...ing-up-or.html

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The Burke interview was some fantastic insight int this upcoming draft.

The highest a team has traded up in the 1 st round in recent history has been 4 spots.

Burke things they should either trade up or stay. Says Treliving is in the process of laying all the ground work with other teams to trade up or down.

Anyone have a link to the interview? Apparently I'm incapable of finding it

[dammage79]

It didnt sound like trading down was going to be a thing in Burkes interview, but I think what Burke was trying to say was that Treliving is covering all possible angles heading into the draft.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by David Struch

http://flamesfrom80feet.blogspot.ca/...ing-up-or.html

Good point.

Worth noting that the 2nd rounders ended up being inconsequential (as most end up being), so in hindsight, it was practically just a swap of 1st rounders.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Good point.

Worth noting that the 2nd rounders ended up being inconsequential (as most end up being), so in hindsight, it was practically just a swap of 1st rounders.

Exactly what I was trying to say