[News] NHL suspends Voynov indefinitely after domestic violence arrest. Upd: Voynov charged

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'd be genuinely shocked if a judge didn't take into account his status as a top tier NHL player and let him stay.

In the grand scheme of things, he contributes to the USA economy and isn't a safety concern for the general public. In fact, if the judge was really serious about his wife's safety, he's almost better off keeping them in the USA. I don't think Russia's domestic violence laws are as robust to say the least.

I question this. There are a finite number of jobs and number of dollars in the NHL.

If he doesn't take the job, someone else will.

I would argue that he doesn't contribute at all. He takes a (very high paying) job away from a North American.

[Resolute 14]

Or another Russian. Or a Swede, or a Finn...

I have to say "he doesn't contributes at all" because someone else could do the job is one of the the most ridiculous arguments I have ever read. By that logic, literally any player contributes nothing. By extension, literally any worker contributes nothing - because there is always someone else that could do the job.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I have to say "he doesn't contributes at all" because someone else could do the job is one of the the most ridiculous arguments I have ever read.

If that were the argument actually being made, you would have a point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Or another Russian. Or a Swede, or a Finn...

I have to say "he doesn't contributes at all" because someone else could do the job is one of the the most ridiculous arguments I have ever read. By that logic, literally any player contributes nothing. By extension, literally any worker contributes nothing - because there is always someone else that could do the job.

I think you missed the parts about a finite number of jobs and a finite money pool.

The NHL is a very unique situation (unlike the economy at large).

1) there are 23 x 30 jobs

2) the total amount of money paid out to those 690 players is equal to HRR/2 (no matter how it gets divided up, or to whom)

Whether Voynov takes a slice or not has no effect on the overall impact of NHL salaries because, if he doesn't, that money goes elsewhere.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/re...-kings-voynov/

The url pretty much says it all. And thus ends the NHL career of Voynov. As Stephen King would say, "No great loss." I would imagine the Kings would be off the hook for the remainder of his contract at this point.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/re...-kings-voynov/

The url pretty much says it all. And thus ends the NHL career of Voynov.

Depending on the outcome of his deportation hearing. It's not a foregone conclusion yet.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think you missed the parts about a finite number of jobs and a finite money pool.

The NHL is a very unique situation (unlike the economy at large).

1) there are 23 x 30 jobs

2) the total amount of money paid out to those 690 players is equal to HRR/2 (no matter how it gets divided up, or to whom)

Whether Voynov takes a slice or not has no effect on the overall impact of NHL salaries because, if he doesn't, that money goes elsewhere.

Yes, but does Voynov contribute to the HRR more than player x? That is the question.

Voynov is a top notch d-man, and he's a foreigner. Foreign players usually have a legion of fans from their hometown/province that buy jerseys, game center, merch and perhaps make trips to the USA to watch. Russian language media must be paying something to the NHL to have the right to interview it's players I assume. It's impossible to know for sure, but your analysis is a little oversimplified.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Depending on the outcome of his deportation hearing. It's not a foregone conclusion yet.

Fair enough, but I am making the assumption he's getting tossed out the country. That's based on the lawyers quoted as saying these kinds of charges end up in deportation more often than not.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Fair enough, but I am making the assumption he's getting tossed out the country. That's based on the lawyers quoted as saying these kinds of charges end up in deportation more often than not.

Off the top of my head though, I can't remember a high profile foreign athlete being deported.

It would be an interested precedent if Voynov was actually sent packing, and the Kings can thank Uncle Sam for jump starting their rebuild

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I seriously doubt he gets deported. He'll be playing for LA in the season opener.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Off the top of my head though, I can't remember a high profile foreign athlete being deported.

It would be an interested precedent if Voynov was actually sent packing, and the Kings can thank Uncle Sam for jump starting their rebuild

Can you remember any high profile foreign athlete's getting charged for domestic violence? Key word being foreign because I know it's common in the NFL, but those are Murican's playing in Murica.

Not trying to sound like an a-hole, but this really isn't the kind of situation that happens on a regular basis.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Can you remember any high profile foreign athlete's getting charged for domestic violence? Key word being foreign because I know it's common in the NFL, but those are Murican's playing in Murica.

Not trying to sound like an a-hole, but this really isn't the kind of situation that happens on a regular basis.

I do not think you are an a-hole.

I can't think of foreign athlete with a domestic violence case. But people always look for comparables. I think whether or not he gets the boot, future cases will look to this case as the example or benchmark.

[Phanuthier]

I wonder what kind of pull a sports league has on US Immagration? I guess we've seen a lot happen when it comes to the US prosecutors (maybe connections? deals? money?) but immagration as far as I can tell, is a giant beaurocratic cluster-F. Not sure there is as much wiggle room.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I do not think you are an a-hole.

I can't think of foreign athlete with a domestic violence case. But people always look for comparables. I think whether or not he gets the boot, future cases will look to this case as the example or benchmark.

Which is why the I.C.E will likely deport him. Want to be a millionaire athlete and play in the U.S? Don't commit crimes. Only thing he really has going for him is that he plead down to a misdemeanor, otherwise I don't think there would have been an immigration hearing, he'd have served his time and shuffled off onto the boat upon release. At least this way he has a dice roll. Not a good one by the looks of things.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I wonder what kind of pull a sports league has on US Immagration? I guess we've seen a lot happen when it comes to the US prosecutors (maybe connections? deals? money?) but immagration as far as I can tell, is a giant beaurocratic cluster-F. Not sure there is as much wiggle room.

However much pull the NHL has, you can be sure they'll use every bit of it. After all, the great majority of the players on U.S. teams are foreigners – and the Canadian teams have to play the majority of their road games in the U.S. If players start getting deported for charges on which they have not been convicted, it could be ruinous to the entire business of hockey.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

However much pull the NHL has, you can be sure they'll use every bit of it. After all, the great majority of the players on U.S. teams are foreigners – and the Canadian teams have to play the majority of their road games in the U.S. If players start getting deported for charges on which they have not been convicted, it could be ruinous to the entire business of hockey.

Voynov was convicted though. Spent time in the slammer.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Voynov was convicted though. Spent time in the slammer.

So he was. I glitched on that because the stupid thread title still only says ‘Voynov charged’.

[kerni]

It may be Canada but a similar situation with joffrey reynolds and he was deported back to the us

[Bownesian]

Speaking of Canada, will there not have to be another proceeding regarding his admissibility into our country?

Having watched that Border Security show, it seems the rules are pretty strict in that regard and he would have to have a Canadian exemption to be let across our border for road games up here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

Speaking of Canada, will there not have to be another proceeding regarding his admissibility into our country?

Having watched that Border Security show, it seems the rules are pretty strict in that regard and he would have to have a Canadian exemption to be let across our border for road games up here.

Exemptions aren't too hard to get.

The deportation thing - how many foreign workers are deported for misdemeanours? I guess in large part it will depend on whether the Kings go to bat for him.