Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I don’t know why the government in power just doesn’t make it law that abortions be allowed. They have the power to do that.

What's the case against formally enshrining a right to abortion?
Experts and advocacy groups have roundly criticized the idea of creating any sort of stand-alone law on abortion, saying that this could lead to a plethora of unintended consequences.

"We have no specific legislation for a hip replacement or other medical procedures, so why would we need one for abortion?" said Julia Tetrault-Provencher, chair of the national steering committee of the reproductive rights working group of the National Association of Women and the Law.

Even if the law simply enshrined abortion as a right, putting it on the books could open the door to subsequent governments' more-restrictive amendments, advocates fear.

"We've seen that the power of very small but vocal anti-choice and conservative groups can make a huge impact, and we just don't know what the country's going to look like in the future," said Jill Doctoroff, executive director of National Abortion Federation Canada.

As soon as a new law passed, court cases would be brought to test its constitutionality, said University of Ottawa law professor Daphne Gilbert — creating "legitimacy and a platform" for anti-abortion activists to bring their cases to the courtroom.

Federal legislation could also raise a division of powers debate and give provinces the bandwidth to talk about regulating or restricting abortion in a bigger way, Gilbert said, which could jeopardize advocates' hard-fought gains.

"There's absolutely no upside and a whole bunch of downside."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada-abortion-law-1.6503899

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

you don't think it's a bit of a joke that many of the CPC MP's who oppose a woman's right to abortion all of a sudden want bodily autonomy for vaccines?

Here are all the anti-abortion MPs in Canada

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/abor...n-pro-life-mps

just last year 70% of the CPC MP's were listed as persons who don't like a woman having autonomy over their body, including Poilievre.

70% seems very high, even with some of the nutters they have.

The article seems to put anyone into that group that did any of the following:

ARCC’s basis for rendering certain MPs anti-choice was based on whether the MP did any of the following things:

-Voted in favour of an anti-choice bill or motion
-Opposed the Order of Canada for Dr. Henry Morgentaler in 2008
-Made public anti-choice or “pro-life” statements
-Participated publicly in anti-choice events or campaigns
-Rated as “pro-life” (green) by Campaign Life Coalition
As it turns out, 71.5% of Conservative MPs and 3.2% of Liberal MPs are against abortion stance. The stance of 17.5% of Canadian MPs is unknown or indeterminate.

Is that an appropriate way of coming up with 70%?
I'd have to dig deeper into these various points and if the AARC was trying to exaggerate the numbers but it seems high to me.
Sad if true.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I stand by what I said.

I also hope you volunteer for the Liberals, and somehow, become their campaign manager.

So naïve. AB wanting to take away HALF the CPP won't matter to seniors in other provinces??! hahahaha. Even the biggest red neck in Sasky and Northern Ontario would be up in arms with that.

I don't need to volunteer. The UCP will do all the campaigning for the Libs with their ridiculous platforms! lol

[MoneyGuy]

I wish people would consider the Trudeaus’ marital problems off limits. I don’t care who Sophie Trudeau is hooking up with, and Justin’s personal life should also be personal. As for the jokes about Trudeau dating a man, STFU.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I wish people would consider the Trudeaus’ marital problems off limits. I don’t care who Sophie Trudeau is hooking up with, and Justin’s personal life should also be personal. As for the jokes about Trudeau dating a man, STFU.

Who posted that? I missed it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I wish people would consider the Trudeaus’ marital problems off limits. I don’t care who Sophie Trudeau is hooking up with, and Justin’s personal life should also be personal. As for the jokes about Trudeau dating a man, STFU.

What's wrong with Trudeau dating a man? My opinion of him would be the same regardless of how he rolls in his personal life.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

So naïve. AB wanting to take away HALF the CPP won't matter to seniors in other provinces??! hahahaha. Even the biggest red neck in Sasky and Northern Ontario would be up in arms with that.

I don't need to volunteer. The UCP will do all the campaigning for the Libs with their ridiculous platforms! lol

Alberta. Not the CPC.

I can’t see how that is a huge benefit since PP has spoken against the APP.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What's wrong with Trudeau dating a man? My opinion of him would be the same regardless of how he rolls in his personal life.

I didn’t say there’s anything wrong with it. I was complaining about the jokes and memes.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Who posted that? I missed it.

No one in this group. On Twitter.

[Geraldsh]

If there is a referendum every person contributing to, or receiving benefits from,CPP should get a vote .

[Jacks]

I wish people would consider the Trudeaus’ marital problems off limits. I don’t care who Sophie Trudeau is hooking up with, and Justin’s personal life should also be personal. As for the jokes about Trudeau dating a man, STFU.

There will always be idiots. We saw the same thing with the Harpers with people saying they were getting divorced and Laureen was dating a woman. In that case we had people on here spouting that crap too.

[Firebot]

LOL

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...ced%20Thursday.

Let the spin begin. Will this save the Liberals in Atlantic Canada?

A gentle reminder of how the Liberals treated Atlantic Canada and their concerns when Liberals were not at risk in the polls.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...rade-1.6541851

"The bottom line is pricing pollution can at once combat climate change and support families with affordability issues," he said. "And pricing pollution is simply the right thing to do, especially in the current environmental context."

"Climate change is the crisis that will be with us for a long time. Pricing pollution should not be the political issue that many Conservative politicians want it to be — not when anti-pollution policies can be used to both support families with the cost of living and push heavy industries, like oil and gas, to clean up their act."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/guil...rden-1.6338974

“If you do the average, yeah, it's true, it's going to cost more money to people, but the people who are paying are the richest among us, which is exactly how the system was designed,” he said.

“So the rich pay more for their carbon consumption and their carbon pollution, and we're supporting, through the transition, middle class Canadians and low income Canadians, and that's exactly what we're doing,” he also said.

“We have said that the rebates would help the people most in need in Canada and that's exactly what the system is doing,” he said.

As recently as July

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...g-rebates.html

“Canadians are concerned about the cost of living and about climate change. They are concerned about the impacts of extreme weather events on our communities, our health, and our economy. That is why we have created a pollution pricing system that helps with both. Pollution pricing is the most efficient, effective, and affordable way to lower our emissions and fight climate change. For Atlantic Canadians, the federal price on pollution will put more money back in the pockets of most families, while helping to protect our environment at the same time.”
– The Honourable Steven Guilbeault, Minister of Environment and Climate Change

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

If there is a referendum every person contributing to, or receiving benefits from,CPP should get a vote .

It should have been that way when Quebec wanted to separate too.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Firebot

LOL

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...ced%20Thursday.

Let the spin begin. Will this save the Liberals in Atlantic Canada?

A gentle reminder of how the Liberals treated Atlantic Canada and their concerns when Liberals were not at risk in the polls.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...rade-1.6541851




https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/guil...rden-1.6338974



As recently as July

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...g-rebates.html

I am really interested to see how this plays out in the polls. It feels like a major retreat for the Liberals, and the Cons are going to take credit for this and use it to attack the whole "You get back more then you pay" Social Credit argument as it pertains to the Carbon tax.

[CaptainCrunch]

I wish people would consider the Trudeaus’ marital problems off limits. I don’t care who Sophie Trudeau is hooking up with, and Justin’s personal life should also be personal. As for the jokes about Trudeau dating a man, STFU.

Yeah, people were all over Pierre's wife and it was gross. It should go the same way here.



Its worse for Trudeau because he is the PM, he was posting up pictures of the happy couple after she had left, and people are asking how much its cost Canadians.



But the personal attacks on him and on her are way out of bounds. Unless the spouse is doing something criminal. Just leave the personal shyte out of it.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

No one in this group. On Twitter.

Twitter causes you too much angst, lol

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It should have been that way when Quebec wanted to separate too.

? Wasn’t it established that Quebec wasn’t ever part of the CPP to begin with?

[CaptainCrunch]

I was clumsely making a joke that all of Canada should have voted on Quebec seperation.


Quebec on being booted out of Canada by a Canada wide vote


Quebec - "But it was suppossed to be a shakedown, sacra bleu"

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1717677755003801759

Should reverse polls quick out East.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1717677755003801759

Should reverse polls quick out East.

Won't somebody please think of the environment? Global warming! Hurricanes! Floods! Death!

[Ashasx]

Pretty crazy how ideology isn't as powerful as polling numbers.