Alberta Politics Thread

[Dion]

NDP spend $4.5M in ads to sell carbon tax, climate plan spending

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/12/07...x-climate-plan

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not if the rebate doesn't cover the full cost increase, and that's a major concern. Instead we'll just be driving those people deeper into a hole.

According to to this UofC School of of Public Policy Communique that the lowest three quintile of households by income will at the least be close to breakeven with the rebate.

https://www.policyschool.ca/wp-conte...er-dobson1.pdf

[Resolute 14]

So the "Alberta Government" will now have spent $9 million to promote a single NDP policy. Remember when Notley railed against the PCs doing that? Good times.

[Fuzz]

Same ####, different smell.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pro-...erty-1.3886008

Chiefs supportive of Trans Mountain have avoided the media this week at the special assembly.

National Chief Perry Bellegarde has said these chiefs are afraid to speak for fear of being "stigmatized."

"There's a stigma now attached to supporting economic development. There's a stigma that somehow you're not a First Nations person, if you support a pipeline," he told CBC News before the assembly's start.

I mean, ####. Tying ideological position to race isn't exactly novel at this point but that's just awful.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pro-...erty-1.3886008


I mean, ####. Tying ideological position to race isn't exactly novel at this point but that's just awful.

I imagine its a similar feeling if you're a pipeline supporter and you live in Vancouver. Probably don't want to bring it up in most public places.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I imagine its a similar feeling if you're a pipeline supporter and you live in Vancouver. Probably don't want to bring it up in most public places.

Kinda like being a decent human being and also trying to be a Canucks fan at the same time?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Kinda like being a decent human being and also trying to be a Canucks fan at the same time?

Not possible

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I imagine its a similar feeling if you're a pipeline supporter and you live in Vancouver. Probably don't want to bring it up in most public places.

Yeah, and thats a problem as evidenced by everyone's favourite Donald.

Stifling discussion and not listening to opinions worked out really well for the Democrats, people should look to emulate that.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Locke

Stifling discussion and not listening to opinions worked out really well for the Democrats, people should look to emulate that.

Some people would rather keep quiet than get their skulls thumped. Can't blame them.

[Violator]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not possible

Thanks...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Some people would rather keep quiet than get their skulls thumped. Can't blame them.

Of course not, you have to blame those doing the thumping.

If Neo-Nazis are permitted to parade down the street in full garb and regalia and be protected then the environment should be much more tolerant of people discussing and debating opposing political viewpoints.

[killer_carlson]

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[Dion]

NDP ad buy for controversial climate plan drips with hypocrisy

It was March 2012 and then-premier Alison Redford was under fire for spending more than $1.3 million of taxpayers' money on ad campaigns.

The other parties were upset.

Among those tossing buns was then-NDP Leader Brian Mason.

"It's more evidence, if we need any, that the entire communications campaign of the provincial government is essentially a partisan effort paid for with taxpayers' money, but designed to prop up Alison Redford and the PC party," Mason, now infrastructure and transportation minister, said at the time.

"They should be asked to pay for this because this is PC propaganda — it's not government advertising and it's obviously being pushed from the premier's office."

How things have changed.

But NDP Premier Rachel Notley says the advertising efforts are “absolutely” justified.

Once the critics of such moves, NDP MLAs seem to have found great comfort in taking tax dollars to prop up unpopular policy — using the government piggy bank to sell partisan popularity.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/12/08...with-hypocrisy

[iggy_oi]

Not to defend the NDP ad spending, but wasn't the controversy surrounding the Redford spending based on the fact that it was tax dollars being used for campaign ads during or shortly before an election? Because it violated campaign rules?

Oh wait, the quoted article came from the Calgary sun...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Not to defend the NDP ad spending, but wasn't the controversy surrounding the Redford spending based on the fact that it was tax dollars being used for campaign ads during or shortly before an election? Because it violated campaign rules?

Oh wait, the quoted article came from the Calgary sun...

This should clear things up....

In opposition, the NDP had been critical of government advertisement for the budget. In 2012, when Premier Alison Redford’s government spent $425,000 on advertising, then-NDP Leader Brian Mason said the government was ramping up ad spending to “try to work much harder to control the message.”

http://edmontonjournal.com/storyline...vincial-budget

[iggy_oi]

Fair enough, my recollection of that time was that the controversy had more to do with the timing

[Slava]

This type of advertising by the government should be illegal. It adds nothing to the conversation, provides no information and you have to wonder what the point is? I have nothing to base this on, but it gives the impression that its a way for the government to give some work to the ad agencies and connections they use to get re-elected when the time comes.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Not to defend the NDP ad spending, but wasn't the controversy surrounding the Redford spending based on the fact that it was tax dollars being used for campaign ads during or shortly before an election? Because it violated campaign rules?

You might recall that the NDP's proposed campaign restriction rules severely limits the amount everyone can spend during an election except for... the "Alberta Government". I'll give you one guess as to the tenor and tone that all "Alberta Government" advertising will take as we approach the 2019 election.

Oh wait, the quoted article came from the Calgary sun...

Yes, it came from a major, mainstream media outlet. What's your point?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yes, it came from a major, mainstream media outlet. What's your point?

Eric Francis and Rick Bell are employed by that media outlet, that's my point.