[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Flames discussing 1st, pick, and prospect for Hamonic

[Krynn]

Is there any else booing buttman 2 like me lol

[Krynn]

I thought I was in the draft thread

[JurassicTunga12]

So, with the Flames picking Valimaki, I guess this is unlikely to happen now(Hamonic). Demers could be a cheap target I guess..

[dammage79]

Sign Stone and Kulikov, call it a day.

[djsFlames]

Another phoney rumour that got everyone's hopes up.

Just another bland draft day.

[AC]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Another phoney rumour that got everyone's hopes up.

Just another bland draft day.

What makes it a phoney rumour?

Numerous sources confirmed the talks, and also the fact that NYI wants two 1sts. Can't complain Treliving didn't cave and pay that.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by AC

What makes it a phoney rumour?

Numerous sources confirmed the talks, and also the fact that NYI wants two 1sts. Can't complain Treliving didn't cave and pay that.

that's just what the lame stream media wants you to think.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Sign Stone and Kulikov, call it a day.

I second this. Should be able to get Kulikov at a decent price also.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am not surprised. Without seeing it my impression is that Ari has a tendency to view hockey within a pure statistical bubble.

Originally Posted by devo22

one of the arguments in that piece is "don't trade for him because his 5v5 CF is terrible - only Ristolainens and Stones numbers were worse!"

And that's the problem I still have with parts of the advanced stats community - those numbers are not the holy grail and don't tell the whole story, but only a small part of the picture. I remember bloggers also blasting the Stone trade because of his so, so terrible advanced stats.

Funny how Ari was pumping Hamonic's tires in 2015:
https://flamesnation.ca/2015/11/18/t...estern-canada/

"Here’s the deal: Hamonic is a very good player. He plays in the Islanders’ toughest situations, and he’s a positive possession player."

Ari definitely relies on advanced stats to a silly degree.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Crazy how people are overvaluing Hamonic. He's not that much if at all better than Stone and we could re-sign Stone without losing any assets.

He hit legendary status amongst western Canadian teams when it was announced that he would like to get traded out this way. That pretty much never happens for western Canada so he was elevated to god like status amongst desired defensemen out here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I second this. Should be able to get Kulikov at a decent price also.

I personally think Kulikov is going to get a ridiculous contract from someone.

But then again, I am also the guy that wants Radulov.

[ComixZone]

Dreger mentions Flames and Leafs specifically as still being interested in trading for Travis Hamonic, but that neither team is interested enough to do two first round draft picks. Dreger and the panel still believe Hamonic gets traded, possibly for a "1st round draft pick ++" but not two firsts.

Link

[JurassicTunga12]

2018 1st(conditional perhaps?) + Fox/Kylington?

[dammage79]

Ugh. I'm starting to hate hamonic now. I hope the leafs severely over pay for him. Or he goes to the Oilers

[TheScorpion]

I really hope that Brad is able to pay a reasonable price for Hamonic, but I'd be fine with someone from Minnesota, too.

[Toonage]

Nm - cant believe I missed the same story just a few posts above. Sorry.

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I really hope that Brad is able to pay a reasonable price for Hamonic, but I'd be fine with someone from Minnesota, too.

Brodin or Dumba would be good stuff.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I really hope that Brad is able to pay a reasonable price for Hamonic, but I'd be fine with someone from Minnesota, too.

Agreed. I would love for Brad to pull a rabbit out of his hat and somehow land Dumba. Heck, they also have Niederreiter and Pominville, both players that could help our RW. I think there is some potential there for a trade, but it just depends what Minnesota would want in return.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I really hope that Brad is able to pay a reasonable price for Hamonic, but I'd be fine with someone from Minnesota, too.

If we can land Hamonic for the 2018 1st round pick + some of our mid-range prospects, I'll be overjoyed.

[jlh2640]

I want matt Dumba