Militia Seizes Federal Compound in Oregon

[afc wimbledon]

Is Oregon an open carry state, If so how the hell do you differentiate?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Is Oregon an open carry state, If so how the hell do you differentiate?

Other people didn't take over buildings and have press conferences about doing it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nik-

I would agree it's not really terrorism, but it's also not protest. It's armed seizure of federal land. I would just call it treason.

The proper term is sedition.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Parallex

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investi...ism-definition

If it's not terrorism then it's mighty close. Eventually the Feds will have to take back the compound and if one of these idiots even points a gun in the general direction of the guys that have to do that then it's not even debatable it just flat out is.

This can easily be classified as domestic terrorism. The fact the people are using a lack of body count to differentiate this and terrorism just tells you how skewed our views on terrorism, and it as a tactic, have become. If this building were taken over by armed Mexicans or Middle Easterners there would be screams to go in and take them out, labeling them the terrorists they are. Civil disobedience never came at the end of a gun.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Other people didn't take over buildings and have press conferences about doing it.

Rubbish, sit ins are a perfectly appropriate form of non violent protest.
Less common than it used to be but utterly part of the cannon of civil disobedience

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Rubbish, sit ins are a perfectly appropriate form of non violent protest.
Less common than it used to be but utterly part of the cannon of civil disobedience

Because you so often hear non violent protesters at sit ins say things like "we will only shoot people if they shoot at us first"

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Is Oregon an open carry state

yes it is

[Itse]

"Umm, did anybody bring snacks?"

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...es--ZJglh9sRjx

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Itse

"Umm, did anybody bring snacks?"

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...es--ZJglh9sRjx

hmmmm, which Sutter is this?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by New Era

This can easily be classified as domestic terrorism. The fact the people are using a lack of body count to differentiate this and terrorism just tells you how skewed our views on terrorism, and it as a tactic, have become. If this building were taken over by armed Mexicans or Middle Easterners there would be screams to go in and take them out, labeling them the terrorists they are. Civil disobedience never came at the end of a gun.

Sure, I think it's terrorism in a broad laymans definition of the term... a bunch of politically motivaterd citizens armed with guns have illegally seized government buildings and have indicated that they are willing to use force... sounds like terrorism to me.

There is a legal definition of the term, so the question is are they legally terrorists? There were three characteristics given to that definition and they easily fit into two of them the only question is on the "Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law". They're certainly violating federal and/or state laws, but are they "acts dangerous to human life"? That I don't know... but eventually they'll be either have to vacate the premises or be forcably removed and if they have to be forcably removed then it's pretty much impossible to say that it won't be dangerous to human life.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

Because you so often hear non violent protesters at sit ins say things like "we will only shoot people if they shoot at us first"

I'm not arguing they're ideal candidates for the Nobel peace prize, but it's the U.S., guns are legal down there and stupidity is a legitimate political position.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

stupidity is a legitimate political position.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

stupidity is a legitimate political position.

That's a great line, I'm definitely going to have to steal that in the future.

[nik-]

That dude has definitely been kicked by a lot of horses.

[OMG!WTF!]

I think it's just a cool kid thing to call this terrorism. I'm pretty sure I won't be cancelling my climbing trip to Bend this summer.

I guess if you want to call these dummies terrorists you could. But the act they are performing now certainly isn't. Errorism maybe. But not terrorism.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I think it's just a cool kid thing to call this terrorism. I'm pretty sure I won't be cancelling my climbing trip to Bend this summer.

I guess if you want to call these dummies terrorists you could. But the act they are performing now certainly isn't. Errorism maybe. But not terrorism.

There is only one reason these dummies show up all tooled up, and it aint to hunt.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I think it's just a cool kid thing to call this terrorism. I'm pretty sure I won't be cancelling my climbing trip to Bend this summer.

I guess if you want to call these dummies terrorists you could. But the act they are performing now certainly isn't. Errorism maybe. But not terrorism.

No its a hipster thing to go against the grain and say it's not terrorism

[burn_this_city]

Its not terrorism because they ain't muslim. It's simple.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Itse

"Umm, did anybody bring snacks?"

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...es--ZJglh9sRjx

So why can't the US just end this peacefully by walling off all supply routes into the area of land?

Anyone who crosses is arrested and held. No more food. Oh, and turn off any fresh water and sanitation which may feed the building (granted if it is part of a network, this may not be feasible when comped to simply walling off any food input).

[trumpethead]

I keep picturing the leader of Y'all Qaeda as Hedley Lamarr from Blazing Saddles.

"I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, ####-kickers and Methodists."