2024 NHL Draft Thread

[FlamesAddiction]

Assuming Parascak and Vanacker are gone, I am really hoping that the Flames can get Henry Mews with the Vancouver pick. I think he has tonnes of upside. A right handed offensive defenseman,

[Sandman]

Draft Thoughts (The Villain Edition):

No, 6'3",198lb LHD Max Vilen is not a character from an Austin Powers movie, he plays for the Malmo Redhawks organization, with 18 points in 49 games in the J20, and a cup o' coffee in the SHL, with no points in 4 games. He was 28th in scoring by defensemen in the J20, which shows that he contributes to his team's offense, but his bread and butter is his involvement in the other two zones, with an emphasis on his duties as a shutdown D. With a June 29th birthday, he's still quite young.

Vilen is a quality puck-mover who makes quick, accurate decisions, but keeps things mostly short, simple, and risk-free off of quick touches. There's no real sign of high-end creativity, or dynamism in his play- he's not flashy, and plays conservatively, but that's a good thing for a player of his ilk. By the same token, he's aptly skilled with the puck, but not really high-end in any area- his stickhandling won't dazzle anyone, but he maintains possession and has an enormous reach that aids him in protecting the puck. He's a solid skater with fluid 4-directional mobility and a quick first step, who can transition quickly. With his team set up in the offensive zone, Vilen walks the line effectively, and distributes accurately through seams he creates with his activity at the blueline. He rarely leaves his position high in the zone near the line, and doesn't usually activate unless it's to pinch up the boards to keep pucks alive, or to punch the puck in the direction of teammates, and away from enemies. His shot is average and isn't too threatening, mainly because it's not used a lot, except as a playmaking tool to create rebounds and second-chance opportunities for his teammates. Though he may not be the biggest hitter, he plays a physical game and uses his size and strength well in battles.

Vilen doesn't really push pace, or drive play, but he's a hard-worker and competitive. He makes retrievals look easy, with the way he scans his surroundings, and makes quick and accurate breakout passes under pressure. On occasion, he can really stretch the ice with a long-bomb to a streaking teammate. He has the skill and mobility to carry through transition now and then, but he mostly defers to his colleagues to do the carrying, but will participate in give-an-go's in the middle zone. Vilen takes pride in his role as a shutdown defenseman, taking away time and space by smothering puck-carriers with his stick, awareness, and body. He's disruptive with a defensive mentality in all 3 zones, with a long reach that's nearly impossible to escape, and infallible positioning. He removes chances from opponents to make high-danger plays by clogging lanes, and blocking passes. Against the rush, he keeps a tight gap on attackers, and closes quickly with his speed. He knows his assignments, and is often seen directing traffic. I believe Vilen has a good chance to make the NHL as a bottom-3 defenseman, as his offensive upside is questionable and many think he might just be a one-dimensional defensive-defenseman, which wouldn't be a bad thing. Look for him in later rounds.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Assuming Paras.ak and Vanacker are gone, I am really hoping that the Flames can get Henry Mews with the Vancouver pick. I think he has tonnes of upside. A right handed offensive defenseman,

I really love Mews, and have suggested the same thing. Alfons Freij is another. One player I really love though is Leo Sahlin Wellenius. He's been playing just under 30 minutes per game for Sweden in the U-18's, and looks unbelievable with his poise and calmness. He was second overall in the J20 league for scoring by D, with 42 points in 43 games.

Freij was 3rd overall in the J20 for scoring by D, with 33 points in 40 games.

[Sandman]

Draft Thoughts (Soldier Edition):

I admire the Americans' National Team Development Program in the way that they turn the lesser players on the team into hardworking soldiers. It's for the same reason that I also dislike the NTDP. A player like LW Austin Baker would be playing further up a team's lineup if he were playing in the USHL, and would have more of a chance to show off his offense and put up greater numbers. On the national team however, he's playing behind the more elite players like Cole Eiserman, Teddy Stiga, James Hagens, Kamil Bednarik, Max Plante, and Christian Humphreys, and getting bottom-6 minutes in mostly checking scenarios, while the top players get more of the prime opportunities. Baker, who stands 6'0" and weighs in at a sturdy 192lbs, accumulated 31 points in 53 games (with 29 penalty-minutes) for the NTDP this season, and is currently over in Europe with the national team at the U-18 Tournament, with no points so far, and a high of 11:30 TOI. Baker is a well-rounded player, who's capable of playing in any situation, and spends time at the center position.

Baker is not flashy, but plays a reliable meat-and-potatoes style, winning battles with his positioning, stick, and tenacity- he's not overly physical in terms of hits, but will use his body as leverage to push his way around. He forechecks hard, dislodging pucks by leaving no time to react, or make decisions, and helps to wear down opponents on the cycle. There's nothing too fancy about his puck-skills, and he keeps things simple and risk-free, making sure he always keeps possession for his team. With the puck on his blade, he doesn't really drive play or push the pace too much. He's skilled, but not elite in any aspect, though he shows glimpses of high-end playmaking from time-to-time. He's smart enough that he can make good decisions quickly without forcing passes that aren't there, and has a fairly hard shot with superb accuracy to bulge the twine. He plays a greasy game in front of the net, fishing for loose pucks and pouncing on rebounds, with excellent hand-eye coordination to tip incoming shots. He's proficient at finishing plays, but has the hands and the moves to beat goalies in-close as well. Baker is not a burner, but moves well and can cover a ton of ice in a short time, with the ability to get to top speed quickly, and the lateral agility to lose checkers. To augment his mobility, he stays active and keeps his feet pumping hard- he also has strong edges, and can pivot on a dime. The wide stance he employs helps him to protect the puck, as well as his ability to handle away from his feet, and the way he angles his body against the sticks of checkers.

Baker is highly aware defensively, applying his work-ethic and relentless motor to this part of the game, and to his penalty-killing- where he plays a ton of minutes. He simply shines in his own zone, and has the reputation of being one of the national team's most reliable players in this area, with an acute attention to detail and good habits. Admirably, he is often the first forward back in the zone, and the last to leave. He supports his D down low, and smothers attackers by taking away all time and space with exemplary positioning, and an active stick. He has a disruptive mentality in all 3 zones, and can often stop the rush in the neutral zone, before it ever reaches the blueline. After stripping opponents of the puck in the defensive zone, he is adept at kickstarting the rush with a pass, or by completing a clean exit with control. Sometimes though, he can be caught watching the play, which ends up with him losing his man in traffic. There are plenty of questions about Baker's overall upside, but more specifically his offense. I see Baker as a future third-liner, with smart two-way play. Look for him in rounds 5 or 6.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Assuming Paras.ak and Vanacker are gone, I am really hoping that the Flames can get Henry Mews with the Vancouver pick. I think he has tonnes of upside. A right handed offensive defenseman,

Yeah Mews could be a diamond in the rough, very impressive Hlinka last summer and has all the skills, as he fills out his shot should get harder and so should his physicality.

[Cheese]

So just thinking out loud, would Eiserman be the Yang to Huberdeaus Ying?

[serratedmuffin]

https://www.recruitscouting.com/2024...gtime-top-100/

I have no idea who this is but they put out their top 100 and their rankings are wild. It's always fun to see how different people rank players.
Some notables:
25. Justin Poirier
18. Anton Silayev
15. Yakemchuk
14. Parekh
13. Catton
8. Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
3. Konsta Helenius

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by serratedmuffin

https://www.recruitscouting.com/2024...gtime-top-100/

I have no idea who this is but they put out their top 100 and their rankings are wild. It's always fun to see how different people rank players.
Some notables:
25. Justin Poirier
18. Anton Silayev
15. Yakemchuk
14. Parekh
13. Catton
8. Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
3. Konsta Helenius

Gabriel Foley is Recruit Scouting's Head of North American scouting and has over four years of experience intimately covering the USHL and the NHL Draft. He was previously a veteran NHL and MLB beat writer, having worked closely with both leagues since 2014. For more of Gabe's work, check him out on Twitter: @NHLFoley.

Not exactly a seasoned scout.

[Bonded]

I want the Flames to take Poirier's brother just for ####s and giggles. Their lesser version of the Hughes bros lol

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not exactly a seasoned scout.

Has nygaard at three. Yeesh.

[PepsiFree]

I feel like the Flames are going to take Helenius and he’s going to surprise by becoming the best center we’ve had in decades.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Assuming Paras.ak and Vanacker are gone, I am really hoping that the Flames can get Henry Mews with the Vancouver pick. I think he has tonnes of upside. A right handed offensive defenseman,

I think both our 1st's will address our top 2 needs.

High impact Forward
High offensive upside D

Which order those go, depends on how picks 2 through 9 go and whos available.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I didn’t say it’s a problem. I kept saying let the scouts make the call they have shown they can find good players.

Only thing I’m adding is, just don’t make size sway you one way or another.

Like I’ve said before. It’s easy after the fact to pick and choose. Of course they should have taken Kucherov in the 2nd round when they liked him. It doesn’t work that way.

I don't think you should let the Honzek pick in particular make you think that the Flames have shifted their draft strategy to prioritize size over skill. He wasn't just picked because he was big and maybe skilled. He was picked because he was skilled and has an incredibly high ceiling as he fills out. He's the definition of taking a home run swing with a draft pick (without reaching), which a lot of people on this site want to see.

I'd get your concern if the Flames drafted a guy like Charlie Strammel there instead, who the Wild reached to take a few picks later. But Honzek is a very different, highly skilled player that was expected to need a lot of time to develop.

It's also funny to see the Flames 2023 draft be compared to the 2014 draft. That draft was quite a bit different where the Flames scouts likely had marching orders to prioritize beef ahead of skill (and Burke clearly focused on size over skill with his picks). The 2023 draft is a lot more like the drafts under Treleving: skill first but don't ignore size unless a smaller player completely blows you away (which is different than prioritizing size over skill).

I mean seriously, it's been less than a year, and all of the picks Calgary made were going to take a few years to develop. D+1 says there's a decent chance that the Flames may still have four NHLers coming out of the 2023 draft. Give it some time.

[Bingo]

Updated with a 17th ranking (6 or more to make the sort).

Flames Pick

Flames	7	Zeev Buium	D	7.82
Flames	8	Anton Silayev	D	8.06
Flames	9	Zayne Parekh	D	9.35
Flames	10	Cole Eiserman	LW	10.00
Flames	11	Konsta Helenius	C	10.65

Canucks Pick

Flames	25	Terik Parascak	RW	30.33
Flames	26	N. Artamonov	LW	30.43
Flames	27	Henry Mews	D	31.17
Flames	28	Aron Kiviharju	D	31.60
Flames	29	Maxim Masse	F	31.64

Consolidated top 15

1	Macklin Celebrini	C	1.00
2	Ivan Demidov		RW	2.94
3	Artyom Levshunov	D	4.41
4	Sam Dickinson		D	6.24
5	Cayden Lindstrom	C	7.12
6	Berkly Catton		C	7.18
7	Zeev Buium		D	7.82
8	Anton Silayev		D	8.06
9	Zayne Parekh		D	9.35
10	Cole Eiserman		LW	10.00
11	Konsta Helenius		C	10.65
12	Carter Yakemchuk	D	12.35
13	Tij Iginla		C	12.41
14	Liam Greentree		RW	13.53
15	M. Brandsegg-Nygard	RW	15.59

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I feel like the Flames are going to take Helenius and he’s going to surprise by becoming the best center we’ve had in decades.

That would be a pretty great scenario. I think the flames landing a potential 1C who is also BPA is a best case. Haven't had a true 1C in a long time in my opinion with apologies to Lindholm. Feels like Helenius is outplaying Catton at the u18s so far though so I could see him moving up a little.

Edit... nevermind, guess Catton's 4 points in 7 games for the u18 national team are from earlier in the year, see now that he isn't playing at the u18s

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

I don't think you should let the Honzek pick in particular make you think that the Flames have shifted their draft strategy to prioritize size over skill. He wasn't just picked because he was big and maybe skilled. He was picked because he was skilled and has an incredibly high ceiling as he fills out. He's the definition of taking a home run swing with a draft pick (without reaching), which a lot of people on this site want to see.

I'd get your concern if the Flames drafted a guy like Charlie Strammel there instead, who the Wild reached to take a few picks later. But Honzek is a very different, highly skilled player that was expected to need a lot of time to develop.

It's also funny to see the Flames 2023 draft be compared to the 2014 draft. That draft was quite a bit different where the Flames scouts likely had marching orders to prioritize beef ahead of skill (and Burke clearly focused on size over skill with his picks). The 2023 draft is a lot more like the drafts under Treleving: skill first but don't ignore size unless a smaller player completely blows you away (which is different than prioritizing size over skill).

I mean seriously, it's been less than a year, and all of the picks Calgary made were going to take a few years to develop. D+1 says there's a decent chance that the Flames may still have four NHLers coming out of the 2023 draft. Give it some time.

Oh I don't mind the pick. My only concern is the injury history that is starting to pile up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think this draft will be more telling with how Conroy views things.

The exciting thing with him is that he values the draft, and he wants to build through the draft. The draft has always been the best day on the NHL calendar. The fact he is getting picking and not giving them away is great as well.

Under Sutter it felt like he couldn't be bothered, and was giving away picks, and we drafted poorly.

Feaster seemed to value the draft, but he also had a guy in his ear who had to be the smartest guy in the room.

Treliving while I believe he valued the draft, he didn't do a good job getting our scouts enough picks, and gave away picks like Sutter.

Obviously the situation for Conroy is a bit different, but going into the draft with extra picks, and having extra picks to look forward to in the future is exciting.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Oh I don't mind the pick. My only concern is the injury history that is starting to pile up.

His issue I think is a pretty big lack of muscle density. If the Flames can get him on the heavy Irons a lot of those injuries he's taken will go away.

If I recall another player who went through a lot of injuries before gaining traction in the NHL was Mikael Backlund.

Seeing as Honzek is a winger most likely it's okay if he has a long development curve. But I'd like to see a lot more beef hanging on that kids frame before putting him in the show.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think this draft will be more telling with how Conroy views things.

The exciting thing with him is that he values the draft, and he wants to build through the draft. The draft has always been the best day on the NHL calendar. The fact he is getting picking and not giving them away is great as well.

Under Sutter it felt like he couldn't be bothered, and was giving away picks, and we drafted poorly.

Feaster seemed to value the draft, but he also had a guy in his ear who had to be the smartest guy in the room.

Treliving while I believe he valued the draft, he didn't do a good job getting our scouts enough picks, and gave away picks like Sutter.

Obviously the situation for Conroy is a bit different, but going into the draft with extra picks, and having extra picks to look forward to in the future is exciting.

I'm excited to see Conroy armed with a full year of scouting heading into his 2nd draft as GM.

It will be interesting to see how he drafts with 8 picks in the first 4 rounds.

My semi educated guess? He's going very forward heavy through the whole thing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm excited to see Conroy armed with a full year of scouting heading into his 2nd draft as GM.

It will be interesting to see how he drafts with 8 picks in the first 4 rounds.

My semi educated guess? He's going very forward heavy through the whole thing.

We have traded for defenceman.

Still think the potential for one of these defenceman at the top of the draft to be a #1 guy that we need.