Vegetarian diet. Where do I start.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

Huh. I see I already posted in this thread once upon a time.

So as a former part-time vegetarian most of my adult life (eating meat maybe once a week), I've come to learn what a foolish knob I was.

Never getting enough protein (my minimum requirements are between 96g and 108g/day just to maintain muscle mass), waaay too much processed crap, waaay too much fruit (sugar/carbs) (I was eating 12+ servings of fruit a day for a stretch there, thinking 'damn, I eat healthy!')

It is so hard to get adequate protein with beans and legumes and etc.--especially for me, as I'm 6'6 and built like a skyscraper.

One of the best things I ever did was start seeing a dietician, that was after talking to a friend of mine who's a dietician. I now eat lean meat twice a day.

Jesus, a 6'6 vegetarian.

"It's like being tackled by a skeleton."

[troutman]

Can A Vegan Diet Give You All You Need? German Nutritionists Say 'Nein'

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...ntent=20160912

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Vegan...probably not. Vegetarian including dairy and eggs? Almost certainly. While eating too much meat is problematic for our health, not having enough protein is a serious problem for us. You can get enough from beans, legumes, and other non-animal sources, but having a boost from dairy and eggs should give anyone enough to live on.

My personal recommendation is pescatarian, for the bonus of healthy fats found in fish.

However, there has been a lot of anthropological and archeological studies that indicate our intelligence and survivability increased after we started eating animal flesh. So if you like being smart...eat meat?

http://www.livescience.com/23671-eat...-us-human.html

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Vegan...probably not. Vegetarian including dairy and eggs? Almost certainly. While eating too much meat is problematic for our health, not having enough protein is a serious problem for us. You can get enough from beans, legumes, and other non-animal sources, but having a boost from dairy and eggs should give anyone enough to live on.

My personal recommendation is pescatarian, for the bonus of healthy fats found in fish.

However, there has been a lot of anthropological and archeological studies that indicate our intelligence and survivability increased after we started eating animal flesh. So if you like being smart...eat meat?

http://www.livescience.com/23671-eat...-us-human.html

Pft, I don't eat meat and I ain't no stupider than you!!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Vegan...probably not. Vegetarian including dairy and eggs? Almost certainly. While eating too much meat is problematic for our health, not having enough protein is a serious problem for us. You can get enough from beans, legumes, and other non-animal sources, but having a boost from dairy and eggs should give anyone enough to live on.

My personal recommendation is pescatarian, for the bonus of healthy fats found in fish.

However, there has been a lot of anthropological and archeological studies that indicate our intelligence and survivability increased after we started eating animal flesh. So if you like being smart...eat meat?

http://www.livescience.com/23671-eat...-us-human.html

When people choose this diet for ethical reasons, I never fail to remind them that fish is the only food that we still harvest from the wild. A pescatarian diet that chooses only wild, organic food is probably the most unethical diet that anyone can choose.

If you are buying the massive bags of tilapia or cod from Safeway, well, then I am sure that is okay.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by peter12

When people choose this diet for ethical reasons, I never fail to remind them that fish is the only food that we still harvest from the wild. A pescatarian diet that chooses only wild, organic food is probably the most unethical diet that anyone can choose.

If you are buying the massive bags of tilapia or cod from Safeway, well, then I am sure that is okay.

Well that's 100% bull####. Ever hear of a fish farm? I would wager that more than 50% of the fish you get in a supermarket is farmed (probably a conservative estimate). Are you saying that some of the fish we eat is wild harvested? Ok, fine, but then there are still plenty of people that hunt and eat wild game. They just don't live in big cities for the most part.

And how the hell do you arrive at the conclusion that a wild/organic diet is unethical?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well that's 100% bull####. Ever hear of a fish farm? I would wager that more than 50% of the fish you get in a supermarket is farmed (probably a conservative estimate). Are you saying that some of the fish we eat is wild harvested? Ok, fine, but then there are still plenty of people that hunt and eat wild game. They just don't live in big cities for the most part.

And how the hell do you arrive at the conclusion that a wild/organic diet is unethical?

Yeah, I know we farm it, but we also take a huge amount of fish from the wild.

I think that individuals can hunt and fish for wild game just fine, and I have no problem with that.

You are not describing most people though. I am.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah, I know we farm it, but we also take a huge amount of fish from the wild.

I think that individuals can hunt and fish for wild game just fine, and I have no problem with that.

You are not describing most people though. I am.

Sure, but you made a blanket statement. a statement that CPF refuted.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

Sure, but you made a blanket statement. a statement that CPF refuted.

Not really.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by peter12

You are not describing most people though. I am.

You have a great habit of doing that and being wrong. Not open to criticism and constantly self righteous you're grand generalizations are annoying.

I'm not talking for everyone I'm talking for me, you make me avoid this forum as you've become the self appointed sheriff spouting your opinion as fact. Good job slowly poisoning the well with self righteousness.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by AcGold

You have a great habit of doing that and being wrong. Not open to criticism and constantly self righteous you're grand generalizations are annoying.

I'm not talking for everyone I'm talking for me, you make me avoid this forum as you've become the self appointed sheriff spouting your opinion as fact. Good job slowly poisoning the well with self righteousness.

How so?

Look, I honestly don't see the issue here. I agree with Cali that some people can sustain themselves with a locally procured diet that includes hunting/foraging for food.

The truth is, most people don't want to do that, and the environment couldn't sustain it if they did. Look at what commercial fishing has done to global fish stocks. That was my point.

Go ahead and eat just fish. I really don't care. It seems to me that you stay away because people call you out on how touchy you are in regards to practically everything.

[AcGold]

Every thread of interest I go to you're spouting your biased opinion as fact. As far as criticism and being touchy you're dead wrong, could not care less, criticize and insult away.

Infinitely less annoying than a know-it-all that doesn't know everything talking down to people in every thread. That touchiness in the past was me going through a debilitating physical ailment that left me physically and mentally unwell for a year, kind of made it tough to be level headed. That was then this is now.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by peter12

When people choose this diet for ethical reasons, I never fail to remind them that fish is the only food that we still harvest from the wild. y.

Work in progress and progressing not too badly.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Every thread of interest I go to you're spouting your biased opinion as fact. As far as criticism and being touchy you're dead wrong, could not care less, criticize and insult away.

Infinitely less annoying than a know-it-all that doesn't know everything talking down to people in every thread. That touchiness in the past was me going through a debilitating physical ailment that left me physically and mentally unwell for a year, kind of made it tough to be level headed. That was then this is now.

Well, I added a disclaimer for all of my posts.

Sorry that you have had a rough year.

[blankall]

Out of curiosity what makes aquaculture more ethical than fishing wild fish? Is it purely the environmental concerns? Surely forcing fish to live in a cramped tiny aquarium and then slaughtering them is not more humane than fishing from the wild.

[Fuzz]

Ideally, you aren't altering the food chain with aquaculture.

[RW99]

A little bump on an old thread. I'm trying to reduce meat from my diet and I'm having issues, mainly based on convenience. I will not be able to spend the time to cook my own vegetarian meals. So I'm going to use what advantage I do have, and that is a generous budget to get what I need.

CP vegetarians, what do you do when you don't have time to prepare meals or just don't want to? I've looked into fresh meal services and it seems none of them offer any real vegetarian options. Is it always takeout from restaurants? Grab what's available pre-made at Suntara? Any ideas would be great.

[Eric Vail]

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by RW99

A little bump on an old thread. I'm trying to reduce meat from my diet and I'm having issues, mainly based on convenience. I will not be able to spend the time to cook my own vegetarian meals. So I'm going to use what advantage I do have, and that is a generous budget to get what I need.

CP vegetarians, what do you do when you don't have time to prepare meals or just don't want to? I've looked into fresh meal services and it seems none of them offer any real vegetarian options. Is it always takeout from restaurants? Grab what's available pre-made at Suntara? Any ideas would be great.

Something I've really enjoyed doing that's quick and easy (and tasty) are certain yves veggie products put into a bed of salad greens and drizzled with salad dressing of my choice.

Some of my go to's are yves chicken strips and ground rounds. Add those (cold or warmed up) to a bed of salad greens and drizzle some salad dressing to taste and that's a delicious meal full of protein right there.

[CaptainCrunch]