Explosion at Ariana Grande Concert in England

[Coys1882]

DELETED - not the time for debate.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

ftfy

get that crap out of this thread.

smarten up

[peter12]

People covering up for an abstract bunch of random hateful dudes, while hundreds of teenage kids are lying maimed or dead. I don't get on this train at all really, but people...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

DELETED - not the time for debate.

Go volunteer at the hospitals, dude.

[Snuffleupagus]

Maddening, now they're going after the softest of soft targets in young kids, dead kids, injured kids and now thousands and thousands of youngsters will be scared for life, a good many of them won't ever go to another concert, large sporting event and maybe even a mall.

Originally Posted by peter12

Nope, Islam isn't a problem.

If you didn't forget the green text, drop it and go to bed.

[killer_carlson]

kids at a pop concert.

whomever did this targeted kids.

i'm at a loss for words.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

####ing animals, every last one of these religious nutjobs who want to go to paradise for killing innocent people.

Animals have much more sense and decency.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Maddening, now they're going after the softest of soft targets in young kids, dead kids, injured kids and now thousands and thousands of youngsters will be scared for life, a good many of them won't ever go to another concert, large sporting event and maybe even a mall.


If you didn't forget the green text, drop it and go to bed.

This is the definition of terrorism, this is no surprise. If your a terrorist you want to strike fear and strike at the soft spots of society.

Remember that one of the tools that these leaders use to attack children and the innocent is to tell the people who are attacking that the innocence of the victims will guarantee them a spot in paradise, so the truly delusional terrorist can use that over any internal morality debate.

In a sense the true terrorist feels that he's achieving two goals, one political and one spiritual. The political, to terrorize. Spiritual for himself he's showing his devotion to the cause, and also that there is a good chance that his victims are going to paradise.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

kids at a pop concert.

whomever did this targeted kids.

i'm at a loss for words.

Chances are that the whom is now dead, these types of terrorist attacks aren't centrally planned by ISIS. They basically encourage people either on line or in person to simply "do something and the more monstrous the better"

[MRCboicgy]

Keep this on topic.

[bigtmac19]

Posted on Twitter, a helpful reminder, thank you Mr. Rogers.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This is the definition of terrorism, this is no surprise. If your a terrorist you want to strike fear and strike at the soft spots of society.

Remember that one of the tools that these leaders use to attack children and the innocent is to tell the people who are attacking that the innocence of the victims will guarantee them a spot in paradise, so the truly delusional terrorist can use that over any internal morality debate.

In a sense the true terrorist feels that he's achieving two goals, one political and one spiritual. The political, to terrorize. Spiritual for himself he's showing his devotion to the cause, and also that there is a good chance that his victims are going to paradise.

I get that but what I don't get is their end game, what they are doing is making every other type of faith or even non believers hate Islam. Do they think everyone else will bow down to them? Do they think they can take over the world?

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This isn't the thread for this debate, however man will find reasons to kill each other and hate each other beyond the reasons of religion.

Man will kill over wealth, resources, sex, territory, the color of our skin, its an never ending cycle. When you post stuff like this, your actually insulting the millions of people that follow religion that don't hate and don't kill and don't follow the path of jihad.

You can talk about evolving away from religion, and I believe it will absolutely happen, if mankind survives that long, or maybe we'll find another religion to follow. But the only way that the killing stops is for mankind evolves away from the baser emotions like hate, jealousy, desire, ambition.

Do you really believe that at their base the leaders of ISIS are driven by religion? Or are they driven by the hunger for power, dominance, control, the pure joy of pulling strings?

Religion is just a cover story to dupe stupid young men and woman who are too lazy, or too stupid to study their religion to hate.

A person that hears the message that their god wants them to kill, and doesn't question why it goes against a tenant of their religion (Ie, though shalt not kill, “…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…” is not following their religion.

Reposted for truth. Thank you again.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I get that but what I don't get is their end game, what they are doing is making every other type of faith or even non believers hate Islam. Do they think everyone else will bow down to them? Do they think they can take over the world?

To me it has nothing to do with ruling the world, or even destroying other faiths. they might be the accompanying goal but not the main goal. To me terrorism has changed. It used to be about forcing a political agenda or a type of change.

Now it to me and its my theory is this.

ISIS wants the world to hate Islam, they want to create a visceral reaction to these acts of terror, they want the world to distrust Islam, and close their borders to Islam, so that the poor and the disenfranchised will only have one choice, and that's to return home, and to blame the West and then . . . to wage war against the West.

This is all about turning the world against Islam, and its all about turning Islam against the World.

[DiracSpike]

It'll be interesting to see if it ends up being recent refugees or home grown radicalized Muslims that carried out this attack.

[CaptainCrunch]

That'll be the question, and it probably won't take long to see the answer.

If he's homegrown, the call will be for England to go on the offensive against ISIS.

If he's a immigrant or refugee the pressure on May to slam the borders shut will be immense.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Now it to me and its my theory is this.

You don't need a theory. ISIS publish their own magazine. They're more than happy to tell you exactly what their motivations are:

Furthermore, just as your disbelief
is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief
is the primary reason we fight you, as we have
been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they
submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming
Muslims, or by paying jizyah – for those afforded this
option – and living in humiliation under the rule of
the Muslims.

See page 30 for the full account.

http://clarionproject.org/factsheets...-the-cross.pdf

There's nothing here that is remotely difficult to understand. They could not be clearer.

That being said, in this particular case, do we have confirmation yet that this was in fact the act of a Jihadist terrorist? There is frequently a lot of confusion flying around in the aftermath of these things. You may recall the misleading information that circulated after the Quebec incident. Best to wait for the facts to come in before drawing those sorts of conclusions.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

So terrorists will never, ever, be able to set off a WMD? Thank god that's dealt with. Thanks PepsiFree!

That's not what I said, what I said is sensationalising these events to fit your narrative is self-serving. Facts are what matters. The facts say its not a big danger to us, the facts say 19 people are dead today, the facts should be more than enough for you to worry about.

There is enough to be outraged about here without saying "I don't like facts because I'm worried they don't re-affirm my belief the sky is falling."

Terrorism is (and I apologise for the crude comparison) like breast cancer. Our concern is disproportionate to its actual damage (for a wide variety of reasons).

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You don't need a theory. They publish their own magazine. They're more than happy to tell you exactly what their motivations are:


See page 30 for the full account.

http://clarionproject.org/factsheets...-the-cross.pdf

There's nothing here that is remotely difficult to understand. They could not be clearer.

That being said, in this particular case, do we have confirmation yet that this was in fact the act of a Jihadist terrorist? There is frequently a lot of confusion flying around in the aftermath of these things. You may recall the misleading information that circulated after the Quebec incident. Best to wait for the facts to come in before drawing those sorts of conclusions.

I'm getting the impression that the police know who the attacker was, but are withholding his name for the purpose of their investigation.

[CaptainCrunch]

I have trouble believing that a propaganda and recruiting magazine is telling the outright truth about the end goals of the organization.

At the same time ISIS was pretty much founded by unemployed former senior Iraqi soldiers and government members who basically needed a job, and members of the Iraqi government at the time of Saddam were hardly what you would call devote Muslims.