American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by peter12

This.

Trudeau is so out of his depth here.

Lol, and Trump isn't? The dude is completely clueless on just about everything involved with governing a country, and from what we've seen so far in the first 100 days, the dips--ts in charge of his administration aren't much smarter.

[ResAlien]

Unfortunately no one in the US cares how this affects Canada. There is talk though about NAFTA and if this potential EO is brinkmanship to try and renegotiate some aspects of it.

According to this article there is also debate as to whether or not the president has the authority to pull the US out. Sounds like he can. It also seems he does not have the support of his party to pull out of NAFTA.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...w-trump-237632

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Unfortunately no one in the US cares how this affects Canada. There is talk though about NAFTA and if this potential EO is brinkmanship to try and renegotiate some aspects of it.

According to this article there is also debate as to whether or not the president has the authority to pull the US out. Sounds like he can. It also seems he does not have the support of his party to pull out of NAFTA.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...w-trump-237632

No, but they'll care how it affects them and trade barriers between the two countries will hurt a lot of states just like it'll hurt Canada.

[rubecube]

So how long until Trump starts slapping tariffs on Canadian oil?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by opendoor

No, but they'll care how it affects them and trade barriers between the two countries will hurt a lot of states just like it'll hurt Canada.

I don't think Trump considers or possibly even comprehends what his EO's and policies affect/do. He just wants to win something.

This all started from a small report on Fox News, to show how much consideration he puts into things before he acts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

This.

Trudeau is so out of his depth here, and Trump is just taking advantage to score cheap political points at home.

Details? How is Trudeau out of his depth here? What is the proper response? Recall the ambassador and kick the American diplomats out of the country? Pistols at dawn? Challenge him to a book report review of the collective works of Bertrand Russell? Twitter fight?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by New Era

Details? How is Trudeau out of his depth here? What is the proper response? Recall the ambassador and kick the American diplomats out of the country? Pistols at dawn? Challenge him to a book report review of the collective works of Bertrand Russell? Twitter fight?

When someone uses "they don't respect us" and a vague appeal to Canadian pride (as if somehow Canada actually is frequently attacked and used to gain political points in the US) as the basis for their argument you can expect an equal amount of thought to go into their response.

It's the same thing the scared red staters here used against Obama for ages. Something something make them respect us rabble rabble. It's partisan rhetoric and that's all.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

Details? How is Trudeau out of his depth here? What is the proper response? Recall the ambassador and kick the American diplomats out of the country? Pistols at dawn? Challenge him to a book report review of the collective works of Bertrand Russell? Twitter fight?

Very silly.

We should start acting like the junior partner in this relationship, and come up with some accommodations pretty quickly. Stop acting like sovereignty means thumbing our collective noses at the Americans.

[FlameOn]

[Thor]

Originally Posted by peter12

This.

Trudeau is so out of his depth here, and Trump is just taking advantage to score cheap political points at home.

You have been so out of your depth here in this discussion the last few weeks, this comment is probably the best indication of that. Sorry friend.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Very silly.

We should start acting like the junior partner in this relationship, and come up with some accommodations pretty quickly. Stop acting like sovereignty means thumbing our collective noses at the Americans.

Are you not paying attention to who's in the White House?

[peter12]

EDIT: Double post/ghost edit

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Are you not paying attention to who's in the White House?

I don't think this matters at all. As I have said, time for Canada to start acting like the junior partner here, and realize that accommodations are probably going to go one way for awhile.

The Trudeau government has certainly been outwardly diplomatic, but Trudeau's comments at the UN, the ongoing conflict over defense spending, and now choosing the supply management hill to die on are all going to be adding up to a very poor relationship with a very touchy and erratic POTUS.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Thor

You have been so out of your depth here in this discussion the last few weeks, this comment is probably the best indication of that. Sorry friend.

What is with this drive-by attack? Please explain yourself, or make a contribution to the thread.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by peter12

What is with this drive-by attack? Please explain yourself, or make a contribution to the thread.

Drive-by? Really, I've been here for months, you just popped up lately and have been, politely speaking, handed your lunch... Is that ok for a contribution?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

What is with this drive-by attack? Please explain yourself, or make a contribution to the thread.

[Thor]

How about the National Review, the decades old conservative standard..

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ber-free-trade

If this is simply Trump revisiting dumb ideas from previous administrations, then that is unfortunate but not unexpected. If this is the opening salvo in a campaign against NAFTA and the WTO, then that is another matter entirely, and a much more serious one. For the moment, there is not much reason to believe that this is much more than shallow symbolism in the service of populist rhetoric. But shallow symbolism is not without costs. Tariffs are not a tax on foreigners. They are a tax on American consumers and, in the case of raw materials such as timber, a tax on American producers, too. They are a tax on American workers and a brake on the productivity of those workers. How many construction jobs would the Trump administration be willing to sacrifice in the cause of looking tough on . . . Canada?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ber-free-trade

[peter12]

Thanks, Thor. That perfectly exemplifies the problem here. I agree that Trump is doing a lot of harmful, and short-sighted things, but from the perspective of Canada, that does not matter.

Unfortunately, the world does not act like a high school clique where unpopular members are soon brought in line by the polite and cool majority.

This is exactly as I said, shallow symbolism in the service of Trump's brand of populism. Unfortunately, we in Canada, provide an easy target because simply, we refuse to play the real game of politics with a neighbour that has provided an extremely beneficial relationship to this country - without which we would not exist otherwise today!

There is nothing simplistic to what I am saying. If Trudeau wants to make headway with Trump, then he has to be prepared to make some concessions, and not continually thumb his nose at the guy.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by peter12

What is with this drive-by attack? Please explain yourself, or make a contribution to the thread.

It isn't unwarranted, and you should contribute instead.

Maybe you should stop constantly posting inflammatory partisan rhetoric without being able to back them anything up with empirical data. And you cry foul when someone points that out to you?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don't think this matters at all. As I have said, time for Canada to start acting like the junior partner here, and realize that accommodations are probably going to go one way for awhile.

The Trudeau government has certainly been outwardly diplomatic, but Trudeau's comments at the UN, the ongoing conflict over defense spending, and now choosing the supply management hill to die on are all going to be adding up to a very poor relationship with a very touchy and erratic POTUS.

So, you're bad mouthing JT because he didn't immediately submit to Trump, like a #####? Wow.