[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[JayP]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

They are all rushing out their "insight", so that they can be "the guy that called it first". I don't think there is any substance to what any of them say, except, oddly enough, Francis - he seems pretty sure it's Boudreau, and I am guessing he is getting his info from the ownership group. Whatever, you think of Francis, he seems to get tidbits from on high...

Yeah, it's the sad state of twitter "journalism". There's no hint of inside information here. It's just a guy pointing out that Brian Burke and Randy Carlyle have past connections (obviously) and then hinting at a rumor without actually putting himself out there and stating it outright. Either he's a candidate or he isn't - saying to "expect" something is just a cop out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Sutter has got to be a strong candidate here...

Personally I think the main reason why would be Gio. If I recall Sutter basically gave Gio his shot when nobody else really knew who he was. He gave him that contract out of Russia if I believe as well. Also being the captain - and I am totally making assumptions here - I would think that Gio's input had a lot to do with the new coaching direction.

On top of that you have things like...

Sutter's truculent approach
Sutter's D approach
Sutter Alberta connection
Sutter's unfinished business here
The Phaneuf deal (ok I'm stretching it here haha)
Gelinas is still around (another Sutter connection)

Anyways I think it's a greater possibility than people think...

Sutter would be a great coach. I agree that he's a hardass like Hartley but smarter about it. You are mistaken a little about the Gio connection. Yeah, Sutter gave him his breakthrough contract here. But he also was the reason Gio was playing in Russia.

[GioforPM]

Warrener said this morning that Hartley and Sutter were different types of demanding coaches (mainly Sutter knew when to back off and to reward). Also seemed to have a lot of info now emerging that the players didn't like playing for Hartley at all (which he contrasted with paying for Sutter). Of course, that's not the be all and end all - I read somewhere that Peplinski and MacDonald hated playing for Badger Bob, who I think is one of the best coaches ever.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

They are all rushing out their "insight", so that they can be "the guy that called it first". I don't think there is any substance to what any of them say, except, oddly enough, Francis - he seems pretty sure it's Boudreau, and I am guessing he is getting his info from the ownership group. Whatever, you think of Francis he seems to get tidbits from on high...

Well Ken King does have that Calgary Sun connection - and Francis does seem to have access to info within that organization especially for things that King would have direct involvement with.

Personally I feel like the timing makes sense too.

Flames season finished on April 9th and the end of season interviews were later that week.

Nothing happens for 3 weeks and Treliving was scheduled to fly out for the World Championships on Friday - which is why Burke was representative in Toronto for the draft lottery.

All of a sudden Boudreau is fired on Friday, Treliving cancels his flight to the world championships, meetings were supposedly held by Flames management on Sunday & Monday and Hartley was fired on Tuesday.

It easily could just be a coincidence, but IMO there appears to be something else going on here.

[Azure]

I don't think its fair to suddenly stand up and say players don't like playing for Hartley.

What is the context?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Well Ken King does have that Calgary Sun connection - and Francis does seem to have access to info within that organization especially for things that King would have direct involvement with.

Personally I feel like the timing makes sense too.

Flames season finished on April 9th and the end of season interviews were later that week.

Nothing happens for 3 weeks and Treliving was scheduled to fly out for the World Championships on Friday - which is why Burke was representative in Toronto for the draft lottery.

All of a sudden Boudreau is fired on Friday, Treliving cancels his flight to the world championships, meetings were supposedly held by Flames management on Sunday & Monday and Hartley was fired on Tuesday.

It easily could just be a coincidence, but IMO there appears to be something else going on here.

The timing does look like the Flames were waiting to see the fate of an employed head coach and pounced when the opportunity was prevented. That said I have heard weeks ago if Hartly was to be fired that Travis Green was a coach the organization was interested in as I had his name out there immediately after the firing before all the media tweets.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think its fair to suddenly stand up and say players don't like playing for Hartley.

What is the context?

The context is Stajan be mad he's a 4th liner and Wideman be mad he's a 3rd pairing D and Raymond be mad he's an AHLer

[SuperMatt18]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting on the market and that they have other names in mind (Green, Dineen, etc).

But I personally feel like the timing of this happening now was because Boudreau was fired last week and they knew they needed to move quick if they wanted in on the Boudreau sweepstakes.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The context is Stajan be mad he's a 4th liner and Wideman be mad he's a 3rd pairing D and Raymond be mad he's an AHLer

That's not the context at all.

The entire 960 radio crew has a wide variety of anecdotes and stories that they are hesitant to share these past couple days because they didn't want to come off as bashing a guy as he gets shown the door. Even Loubardias yesterday when Steinberg had him on repeated the number 1 thing is "how you deal with people."

Things they did share:
-Coburn has a is rumored to have a clause in his contract that he can't be traded to a team coached by Hartley
-Warrener knows and is friends with many guys who do not like or respect Hartley and wouldn't want to play for him
-One thing that really didn't sit well with this team, this past season, was when they were on that home-ice winning streak Hartley didn't let up or give them any off-days. I'm not sure how big of a deal this is but this is what they shared, this really disheartened the team, according to the 960 guys.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by saillias

That's not the context at all.

The entire 960 radio crew has a wide variety of anecdotes and stories that they are hesitant to share these past couple days because they didn't want to come off as bashing a guy as he gets shown the door. Even Loubardias yesterday when Steinberg had him on repeated the number 1 thing is "how you deal with people."

Things they did share:
-Coburn has a clause in his contract that he can't be traded to a team coached by Hartley
-Warrener knows and is friends with many guys who do not like or respect Hartley and wouldn't want to play for him

When I heard them talk about it, the Coburn, thing was just a rumour they could not confirm. Did that change?

[saillias]

Sorry, Coburn is *rumored* to have that clause.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The context is Stajan be mad he's a 4th liner and Wideman be mad he's a 3rd pairing D and Raymond be mad he's an AHLer

Originally Posted by saillias

That's not the context at all.

The entire 960 radio crew has a wide variety of anecdotes and stories that they are hesitant to share these past couple days because they didn't want to come off as bashing a guy as he gets shown the door. Even Loubardias yesterday when Steinberg had him on repeated the number 1 thing is "how you deal with people."

Things they did share:
-Coburn has a is rumored to have a clause in his contract that he can't be traded to a team coached by Hartley
-Warrener knows and is friends with many guys who do not like or respect Hartley and wouldn't want to play for him
-One thing that really didn't sit well with this team, this past season, was when they were on that home-ice winning streak Hartley didn't let up or give them any off-days. I'm not sure how big of a deal this is but this is what they shared, this really disheartened the team, according to the 960 guys.

Pretty sure GrantedEV was joking, since for example Raymond being waived was a Treliving decision. But you are spot on with the context from what I heard this morning. Apparently players expressed (to guys on other teams) that they didn't like Hartley even last year when they were doing so well.

This all surprises me, because he's such an affable guy with the media but if he's truly different with players than with the public, that's not really a good thing.

[djsFlames]

Exactly how is being worked hard in the middle of the season while the team is doing well and chasing a playoff spot "disheartening"?

If these millionaires don't want to go to work everyday then maybe they shouldn't be on the team, or league for that matter.

[dustygoon]

Pitchforks if its Randy Carlyle. He had a weak team in TO, but he doesn't strike me as kind of guy to nurture younger talent.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Exactly how is being worked hard in the middle of the season while the team is doing well and chasing a playoff spot "disheartening"?

If these millionaires don't want to go to work everyday then maybe they shouldn't be on the team, or league for that matter.

It's like managing any sort of job. You need to know your people and when it's the right time to push or back off.

[midniteowl]

My question is, did the players in Anaheim like playing for Boudreau?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Exactly how is being worked hard in the middle of the season while the team is doing well and chasing a playoff spot "disheartening"?

If these millionaires don't want to go to work everyday then maybe they shouldn't be on the team, or league for that matter.

Millionaires or not, at the end of the day, if they're not producing, they're not producing. If they respond better to a softer coach, then I'm all for bringing in someone like that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

My question is, did the players in Anaheim like playing for Boudreau?

As with any locker room there will be players that don't like the coach. As long as the team leaders are on the same page as the head coach that's the important thing as we saw in Calgary where Iginla wasn't on the same page as Playfair or Brent while Regehr and Kipper weren't fans of Keenan and really none of those coaches had as much success as they should have with those rosters. I don't believe Hartley was fired because of the players. I believe he was ultimately fired because of the poor special teams, poor defensive play and posession.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it's perfectly fine to hate the coach. After all, their job is to push and motivate.

But they should always respect them.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

My question is, did the players in Anaheim like playing for Boudreau?

I would think so; I'm pretty sure I heard Duhatscheck (or someone else with credibility) say that Boudreau is the complete opposite. A players coach through and through. Players in general love playing for him. Apparently at some point he was rumoured to have gone into the dressing room and said "well boys, if we don't turn it around now, the new guy is going to be a lot less fun to play for than me". They promptly started to turn things around. Wish I could remember exactly who said this on the radio.