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Old 05-02-2017, 01:43 PM   #2061
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Oh hey totally unrelated.

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The original draft order, which would have established broad exemptions for people and groups to claim religious objections under virtually any circumstance, was leaked to The Nation on Feb. 1—the handiwork, many conservatives believed, of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who have sought to project themselves as friendly to the LGBT community. Liberals blasted the draft order as government-licensed discrimination, and the White House distanced itself from the leaked document in a public statement.

Pence and a small team of conservative allies quickly began working behind the scenes to revise the language, and in recent weeks have ratcheted up the pressure on Trump to sign it. The new draft is being tightly held, but one influential conservative who saw the text said it hasn’t been dialed back much—if at all—since the February leak. “The language is very, very strong,” the source said.
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This was posted in the late night thread, but I think it fits here too. Really powerful message at the end about the current healthcare climate and the damage Trump could do:

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brutal if it gets signed.

here's the link to the original draft. anyone that's not a god fearing straight white male should be disgusted.

https://www.thenation.com/article/le...iscrimination/
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brutal if it gets signed.

here's the link to the original draft. anyone that's not a god fearing straight white male should be disgusted.

https://www.thenation.com/article/le...iscrimination/
Making America Great Again, like the 1700's
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They're going to need something to distract from this...

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Washington (CNN)Former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates is prepared to testify before a Senate panel next week that she gave a forceful warning to the White House regarding then-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn nearly three weeks before he was fired, contradicting the administration's version of events, sources familiar with her account tell CNN
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brutal if it gets signed.

here's the link to the original draft. anyone that's not a god fearing straight white male should be disgusted.

https://www.thenation.com/article/le...iscrimination/
No reason god-fearing straight white males shouldn't be disgusted as well. Gender/orientation/race/religion are no excuse for not having empathy toward others and basic human decency.
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No reason god-fearing straight white males shouldn't be disgusted as well. Gender/orientation/race/religion are no excuse for not having empathy toward others and basic human decency.
but jesus said. that's the gist of this one.
Trump has already jumpstarted the race one.
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Good grief, what a bunch of f'n a--holes. Absolutely disgusting if that goes through.


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Making America Great Again, like the 1700's
I would guess that 60% of the people down there wouldn't even blink if the Prez appointed a "National Bishop" (or some high-up protestant title) and gave him an official cabinet post. Probably 40% would celebrate the idea, while the other 20% would quietly shrug and say "well, why not?" ... (And all of them would scream "activist courts!" when the decision was shot down by the judiciary.)

I'm just making up numbers, of course, but my point is that it's scary how close they are to being a de facto Christian theocracy at this point. Religious convictions should be allowed to *inform* the direction of public policy, when balanced with other ethics, but they absolutely must not be allowed to override it.
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I can't even.

There is a strong correlation between sociopathy and the ability to understand metaphors. The higher a person scores on the Hare psychopathy checklist, the worse they are at understanding metaphors (there are academic papers written on this).

It is thought that the inability to understand metaphors is related to their inability to feel empathy.

Therefore it is not surprising at all that Trump missed Bush's metaphor by a wide mark.
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I would guess that 60% of the people down there wouldn't even blink if the Prez appointed a "National Bishop" (or some high-up protestant title) and gave him an official cabinet post. Probably 40% would celebrate the idea, while the other 20% would quietly shrug and say "well, why not?" ... (And all of them would scream "activist courts!" when the decision was shot down by the judiciary.)

I'm just making up numbers, of course, but my point is that it's scary how close they are to being a de facto Christian theocracy at this point. Religious convictions should be allowed to *inform* the direction of public policy, when balanced with other ethics, but they absolutely must not be allowed to override it.
Next up, bringing back witch hangings.
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If judging people for opposing fundamental human rights and dignities of the "other" is wrong, then I don't want to be right.
Judging policies all day long is fine and a part of a democratic system...labelling the people themselves is a recipie for long-term disaster.

Listen to the Carlin podcast if you can
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No reason god-fearing straight white males shouldn't be disgusted as well. Gender/orientation/race/religion are no excuse for not having empathy toward others and basic human decency.
Are Federal Judges going to strike this down?
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Believe it or not, but even Morning Joe, one of Trump's favorite shows, is beginning to raise the red flag on Trump...

Not sure if it'll do anything: All Trump has to do is tweet out something bad about Morning Joe and his followers will turn on Scarborough in the blink of an eye.

Scarborough suggested Trump’s comments about the Civil War were a product of a mental health problem.

“My mother’s had dementia for 10 years,” he said. “That sounds like the sort of thing my mother would say today … It’s beyond the realm,” he said.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/m...-mental-state/

Ironic... like Jon Stewart pretending to be Dr.Frankenstein, as the monster begins to smash up his lab: "Hey Igor, does this thing have an off switch?"

thanks GOP right wing media!
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I wonder if Trump will eventually regret being elected when this thing comes crashing down.
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Believe it or not, but even Morning Joe, one of Trump's favorite shows, is beginning to raise the red flag on Trump...

Not sure if it'll do anything: All Trump has to do is tweet out something bad about Morning Joe and his followers will turn on Scarborough in the blink of an eye.

Scarborough suggested Trump’s comments about the Civil War were a product of a mental health problem.

“My mother’s had dementia for 10 years,” he said. “That sounds like the sort of thing my mother would say today … It’s beyond the realm,” he said.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/m...-mental-state/

Ironic... like Jon Stewart pretending to be Dr.Frankenstein, as the monster begins to smash up his lab: "Hey Igor, does this thing have an off switch?"

thanks GOP right wing media!
Not a fan of Joe Scarborough but, as far as I know, he has been consistently critical of Trump (as both candidate and President).
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Believe it or not, but even Morning Joe, one of Trump's favorite shows, is beginning to raise the red flag on Trump
Is there some reason to think Trump is a fan of Morning Joe? Because they put him on blast all the time. I would think he never watches MSNBC and is just glued to Fox & Friends.

You know, that show where he advocated in favour of war crimes and they just sort of smiled awkwardly.
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Judging policies all day long is fine and a part of a democratic system...labelling the people themselves is a recipie for long-term disaster.

Listen to the Carlin podcast if you can
What if their policy appears to be "come off like an swampwater loser and bad (sick) guy" all the time?
Then can we mention it?
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Also, I may be a bit late to the party on this one, but I'm surprised (given the frequency with which it happens in cases much more specious than this) that Trump's comments about the civil war and Andrew Jackson haven't given rise to myriad and constant fresh accusations of racism.

To be fair, as many have said, never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, and it's most likely that Trump is just ignorant. But suggesting, first, that Jackson would have been able to solve this problem despite being a notorious slave holder, and second, that there was a compromise that could have been reached to avoid the war, leads to the inevitable question of what he thinks an acceptable solution would have looked like.

Would it have involved a compromise that kept the south in the union? Because that would almost certainly have involved some continued form of slavery. Would it have been some version of secession? That would certainly have involved continued slavery in any area that seceded.

By taking the position he did, he's implicitly saying that it wasn't worth it. Better to just allow slavery to persist. That's fairly horrifying.
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