Not even close IMO. If you are going to put guys like him in the HOF you may as well put in guys like Tanguay in who have produced as much and won more. Nash's career numbers are only good not great. Not sure what he has done outside of scoring 40 goals twice to be mentioned in the same sentence as the HOF.
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LOL at anyone saying he's a hall of fame talent. He's a good player, a 5 million guy that's inconsistent will show flashes of brilliance here and there.
This is getting ridiculous. First of all asking for a kings ransom, then saying he's a top 10 NHL player and on top of that hall of fame.
LOL at anyone saying he's a hall of fame talent. He's a good player, a 5 million guy that's inconsistent will show flashes of brilliance here and there.
This is getting ridiculous. First of all asking for a kings ransom, then saying he's a top 10 NHL player and on top of that hall of fame.
Your posts are ridiculous, honestly painful to read with the level of concrete certainty you try to inject into your poorly thought out opinions.
You just called him garbage a page back. Yea, your thoughts sure deserve some merit here.
Not even close IMO. If you are going to put guys like him in the HOF you may as well put in guys like Tanguay in who have produced as much and won more. Nash's career numbers are only good not great. Not sure what he has done outside of scoring 40
goals twice to be mentioned in the same sentence as the HOF.
I never said he should be in the HOF based on what he has done to age 26...but you said he isnt a hall of fame talent and i could not disagree with that more.
It remains to be seen what he accomplishes, but if we are to assume he plays 10 more years, and averages 60 pts a season doing do, he should finish with nearly 1200 points....HOF worthy no matter who you are.
So a team on the rise should trade 3 of there best young players for a 70 point player? New York didn't have scoring punch, but combined the players they trade will out score Nash, and provide depth.
It would be a dumb move, and set the rangers back, as they would need to fill huge holes.
He may be a 70 point player due to the situation he plays in, but he's generally a consensus pick for any Team Canada roster, be it Olympics, World Cup or otherwise, and that doesn't happen if you're only a 70 point talent, unless you're being brought on as a defensive specialist, which he isn't.
You're welcome to your opinion, but NHL GMs are going to fight to get him.
So a team on the rise should trade 3 of there best young players for a 70 point player? New York didn't have scoring punch, but combined the players they trade will out score Nash, and provide depth.
It would be a dumb move, and set the rangers back, as they would need to fill huge holes.
Did I ever say that? Take another look at what I posted and think carefully before responding this time. Brooks has suggested that each one of Kredier, McDonough, and possibly Stepan, on his own is a non-starter. In other words any deal involving even just ONE of these players in exchange for Rick Nash is off the table. It is idiotic. I will agree that all three is certainly an overpayment, but there is no way that each one on his own in a package with other players/picks should not be considered. Again, yes, they are good players, and they form an important part of NY's future, but in my opinion, the Rangers can will almost certainly be expected to part with one of Kreider or McDonough in any deal for Nash. Neither is likely to ever be the game breaking type of player that he has been for a number of seasons now, and should continue to be for another four or five or more.
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I think its silly that you're asking for a return that is unattainable. Definitely he should push more than just Dubinsky Erixon 1st or whatever it was, but asking for Kreider, Stepan and McDonagh on top of it is just pure silly. Just because you did terribly on the Carter trade doesn't mean Nash suddenly has to go for twice the value to make up for that.
Also don't think he has the luxury of waiting forever. Given so many trade rumours on Nash, I'd have to wonder how hard he'll continue to play while all of this speculation continues. Going to be a huge distraction for that team. Plus, if no deal gets done and your trading partners move onto other targets, your opportunity is gone.
Look no further than the Flames. Before, Boston and Kings were good targets to trade Iginla because of their strong prospect depth and them wanting to go for a cup. Now that they've won their urgency is much less.
I think he was asking for one of those 3 on top it, not all of them. I agree he doesnt have ALL the time he wants, but its not a situation where he has to trade him or lose him (as is usually the case with these types of trades). And thus, other GMs can't hold the timing over his head. He has the luxury of walking away from a deal without losing his asset for nothing. From what Nash has said, and the type of guy/player he is, I don't see his effort level dropping at all. And hey, maybe given enough time CBJ actually starts to do well, somehow.
Nash cannot carry a team I agree, but put on a team as a complimentary piece (however overpaid he may be) he could be a deadly option. Think if Vancouver could somehow make a Nash trade work. Sedin-Sedin-Nash is scary. There are a lot of teams that could use a player like Nash. And Howson is taking a bet that someone will pay at or close to his asking price.
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There are a lot of teams that could use a player like Nash. And Howson is taking a bet that someone will pay at or close to his asking price.
How many teams have the picks/prospects package that could get Nash and who can reasonably do it?
Vancouver doesn't have the prospect depth to pull off something like this, neither do many other teams. A package that Howson is looking for was really garnered a handful of times in NHL history. Only one I can think of is the Lindros deal where the actual and supposed packages were of that sort. Also maybe the Gretzky deal but its tricky since it was mostly the cash in that one.
How many teams have the picks/prospects package that could get Nash and who can reasonably do it?
Vancouver doesn't have the prospect depth to pull off something like this, neither do many other teams. A package that Howson is looking for was really garnered a handful of times in NHL history. Only one I can think of is the Lindros deal where the actual and supposed packages were of that sort. Also maybe the Gretzky deal but its tricky since it was mostly the cash in that one.
The Gretzky deal really wasn't a terrible hockey deal at all when you think about it. Jimmy Carson (50 goal scorer at the time), Martin Gelinas and THREE first round picks.
Now, Edmonton got nothing out of the first rounders due to bad drafting but they did flip Carson for three good players in Joe Murphy, Adam Graves (a 50 goal scorer himself) and Petr Klima. All three were in the 30-40 goal range for a good chunk of their careers.
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The Oilers should have saved some of that cash from the Gretzky trade to match the offer sheet Graves signed with the Rangers. They really got killed on that arbitration award. Troy Mallete, who lasted 15 games as an Oiler until he was offer to Jersey for Dave Maley. IIRC the Oilers asked for Darren Turcotte who had just scored 26 goals and 67 points, whereas Graves hadn't quite broken out yet.
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How many teams have the picks/prospects package that could get Nash and who can reasonably do it?
Leafs may be able to do it if they package in their 1st round pick this year but in the long run I'm not sure they should be giving up picks/prospects as they aren't exactly an up and coming team like the Hawks were a few years ago. They are kind of like a younger version of the Flames in that they don't really have much in the way of knockout young prospects and the current roster has plenty of holes especially at the centre position. They need a 1st line centre more than a scoring winger.
Leafs may be able to do it if they package in their 1st round pick this year but in the long run I'm not sure they should be giving up picks/prospects as they aren't exactly an up and coming team like the Hawks were a few years ago. They are kind of like a younger version of the Flames in that they don't really have much in the way of knockout young prospects and the current roster has plenty of holes especially at the centre position. They need a 1st line centre more than a scoring winger.
He has barely averaged 60 points a year through the first 9 years of his career. It seems a little optimistic to me that he will continue to average 60 points a year for another 10. He would be beginning that last year at the age of 38. Personally, I would bet he comes close to 1000, but falls short. The HoF is pretty easy to get into in hockey though, so he could make it.
He also hasn't been in the top 25 scorers in any of the last three years, and even in his best year he was only 18th.
The 2010 Olympic team was really stacked too, other than Crosby I think anyone on that team could have been replaced and they still win gold.
He has barely averaged 60 points a year through the first 9 years of his career. It seems a little optimistic to me that he will continue to average 60 points a year for another 10. He would be beginning that last year at the age of 38. Personally, I would bet he comes close to 1000, but falls short. The HoF is pretty easy to get into in hockey though, so he could make it.
He also hasn't been in the top 25 scorers in any of the last three years, and even in his best year he was only 18th.
The 2010 Olympic team was really stacked too, other than Crosby I think anyone on that team could have been replaced and they still win gold.
If there was an irreplaceable player on that team it wasn't sidney crosby. Toews was much more instrumental. Won draws, played PK, and put up points. Crosby is the best player in the world but Canada wouldn't have won gold without Toews. He was an absolute monster.
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