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Old 11-05-2013, 11:17 AM   #61
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Niederreiter knows Berra so he might be one of the few people in the league who already has the book on him.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:20 AM   #62
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If all of this leads to Sven being a better player down the road, then I'm all for it.

But right now its tough to see, when not long ago this guy was considered a can't miss.

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I feel bad for Sven. Right now, he's doing everything he can - but any small mistake (and in Sven's case, not scoring is a "mistake"), gets him benched. Hard to build confidence that way.

Coaches have their favourites though...easy to see Hartley loves Colborne on the ice and dislikes Backlund. He loves Jackman/McGrattan and dislikes Sven.

It's maddening, but it seems to be the way it is.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:27 AM   #63
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Not surprised if baertchi is actually benched he has looked weak on the puck the last couple games like really weak
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:39 AM   #64
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I don't understand the shock at Sven being benched. He hasn't looked very good to me. Gives up the puck easily.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:40 AM   #65
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Tough game. Wild are like an enthusiasm dissipater.

Probably will be like the Coyotes game. Hard to watch.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:41 AM   #66
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Hartley suggesting When Baertschi sits it's like an emergency in Calgary. Coach adds it's part of learning the game for Sven. #Flames

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Hartley talked individually to Baertschi for close to 10 mins on the ice at the end of practice. #Flames

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For the record Baertschi was unavailable to the media after #Flames skate.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:42 AM   #67
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I don't understand the shock at Sven being benched. He hasn't looked very good to me. Gives up the puck easily.
It's more shock that Jackman is in to be honest.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:42 AM   #68
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I don't understand the shock at Sven being benched. He hasn't looked very good to me. Gives up the puck easily.
It's probably because the players playing ahead of him in the line-up don't deserve it. Jackman and McGrattan have done absolutely zilch other than take bad penalties.

People argue that "Sven shouldn't play on the 4th line", well - if the 4th line has Jackman and McGrattan on it - then no, he shouldn't (and neither should Backlund for that matter).

But if the 4th line is, say Baertschi - Backlund - Bouma, then that's a line that may actually help us win hockey games. Then can push the tempo. Hartley could get them playing a very simple North-South game.

...instead, we get Jackman and McGrattan while Sven sits in the stands.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:42 AM   #69
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Yeah, I get it at this point. Quite a few times you'll see him try to stickhandle his way into the zone only to lose possession.

I wonder if Hartley's also doing this as a way to let Backlund play on Monahans wing or something.
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Chad Billins informed before dinner last night, that he would play. Hartley says he plays like Kris Russell. #Flames

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Chad Billins mother father and brother coming in from Marysville, Michigan tonight for his NHL debut. #Flames

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Its at least the 4th Def. Partner for Shane O Brien. When asked how hard that is..all he could say. " it's crazy, huh". #Flames
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:43 AM   #71
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I like Sven, but IMO there's too many plays that die on his stick. He'll make a sick pass or dangle once in a while, but he needs to get dirty, drive the net, shoot more. I think fans better start getting used to him being in and out of the lineup all season and accept it.

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Old 11-05-2013, 11:46 AM   #72
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RT @SUNGilbertson: Based on #Flames line rushes this morning, LW Sven Baertschi is a healthy scratch tonight. Also, D Chad Billins will make NHL debut.
Awesome! I want to see Billins.

I don't care what happens to Bart anymore re: whether he sits or not. Not sure why its so hard for some Euro players to understand the three zone game the Flames want them to play. They only seem to be able to do one. Maybe the Flames just don't know how to coach Euro kids?

Bart's number are not good enough to make up for the mistakes he makes.

Backlund is playing a great 3-4C role, but should be able to compete for the 1-2C on this team.

Very strange. I hope the Flames stop drafting Europeans. IMO its better to let them learn somewhere else and then bring them in once they are established NHLers: i.e. Hudler.
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I'm just not sure what the coach hopes to accomplish sitting Sven and keeping Jackman in the lineup. Plus, Scoreface was better last game, but I don't see him sitting for his idiotic back passes and failure to come back defensively, previously.

I guess the moral is, if you are a vet, you can make mistakes and continue to play. If you are a rookie, you make mistakes and sit on the sidelines. Not sure that's the way this should play out.
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Also Smith was playing better, yet gets benched.. It should be SOB benched for Billins..
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Awesome! I want to see Billins.

I don't care what happens to Bart anymore re: whether he sits or not. Not sure why its so hard for some Euro players to understand the three zone game the Flames want them to play. They only seem to be able to do one. Maybe the Flames just don't know how to coach Euro kids?

Bart's number are not good enough to make up for the mistakes he makes.

Backlund is playing a great 3-4C role, but should be able to compete for the 1-2C on this team.

Very strange. I hope the Flames stop drafting Europeans. IMO its better to let them learn somewhere else and then bring them in once they are established NHLers: i.e. Hudler.
Bärtschi played junior in Canada as far as I recall.
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Bärtschi played junior in Canada as far as I recall.
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. I hope the Flames stop drafting Europeans. .
those damn euros - they suck bigtime
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Our record with Baertschi or Backlund being scratched is 0-2.. Will it be 0-3 after this game?
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Awesome! I want to see Billins.

I don't care what happens to Bart anymore re: whether he sits or not. Not sure why its so hard for some Euro players to understand the three zone game the Flames want them to play. They only seem to be able to do one. Maybe the Flames just don't know how to coach Euro kids?

Bart's number are not good enough to make up for the mistakes he makes.

Backlund is playing a great 3-4C role, but should be able to compete for the 1-2C on this team.

Very strange. I hope the Flames stop drafting Europeans. IMO its better to let them learn somewhere else and then bring them in once they are established NHLers: i.e. Hudler.
I've only seen Baertschi improve his defensive game since the start of the season. The coaches can say whatever they want (they didn't say it was his defence this time), but he's not being sat because of that.

He's playing nervous and afraid to make mistakes, so when he has the puck he's trying to make quick plays to other players instead of slowing the game down a bit, which is how he's had success in the past. I guess the coaches want him to play a simpler game.

Personally, the perfect way to fix this is to put him on the PP where he has more time to make plays and doesn't have to force things that aren't available.

But the coaches prefer scratching him I guess.

If you don't want to draft Europeans, then you're missing out on players like OEL, Datsyuk, Koivu, etc... This should have nothing to do with nationality.

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Oh yeah. The point being that he was trained on a WHL team during the most crucial years.

Small guys have to learn to find their space in the NHL. Be patient.
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