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Old 08-26-2013, 01:31 AM   #21
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2. LA
3. Vancouver
4. Calgary

5. Phoenix
6. San Jose
7. Edmonton

CENTRAL:
1. Chicago
2. St. Louis
3. Minnesota
4. Dallas

5. Winnipeg
6. Nashville
7. Colorado

ATLANTIC:
1. Boston
2. Ottawa
3. Montreal

4. Toronto
5. Detroit
6. Buffalo
7. Tampa Bay

METROPOLITAN:
1. Pittsburgh
2. New York Rangers
3. Washington
4. Columbus
5. New York Islanders

6. New Jersey
7. Philadelphia
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:39 AM   #22
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1. San Jose*
2. Anaheim*
3. Los Angeles*
4. Vancouver*
5. Edmonton
6. Phoenix
7. Calgary

1. St. Louis*
2. Chicago*
3. Minnesota*
4. Winnipeg*
5. Colorado
6. Nashville
7. Dallas

1. Ottawa*
2. Boston*
3. Montreal*
4. Detroit*
5. Toronto
6. Tampa Bay
7. Buffalo
8. Florida

1. Pittsburgh*
2. NYR*
3. NYI*
4. Washington*
5. Philadelphia
6. Columbus
7. Carolina
8. New Jersey

Note : New Jersey, Florida and Buffalo all finish below Calgary...again proving just how amazing it was for the Oilers to 'earn' the 1st overall pick for 3 consecutive seasons...really quite amazing.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:52 AM   #23
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1. San Jose* - good regular season team
2. Anaheim* - a couple all stars and a decent supporting cast
3. Los Angeles* - built for the playoffs, should lock down a playoff spot easily enough
4. Vancouver* - on the decline, but still enough in the tank for at least one more playoff humiliation
5. Phoenix - big drop off from Vancouver to bottom three in the pacific. Just not enough firepower.
6. Edmonton - poorly built team will not go anywhere
7. Calgary - wins will be tough to come by

1. Chicago* - best in the west, even with cup hangover
2. St.Louis* - easily second best in fairly weak division
3. Minnesota* - least holes of the remaining teams in the division
4. Colorado* - have to be better with McKinnon and new coach
5. Winnipeg - not going to like the west
6. Dallas - could be better than Winnipeg... But still pretty bad
7. Nashville - even trotz can't get these guys to score

1. Boston* - great team
2. Detroit* - easier travel and weaker eastern teams will make Detroit look years younger
3. Ottawa* - good young players. Gotta be less man games lost this year
4. Tampa* - too many good players to be as bad as last year
5. Toronto - short season made them look better than they are.
6. Montreal - much like Toronto. Hot start won't be enough in 82 game season
7. Buffalo - bad, poorly constructed team.
8. Florida - won't take much going wrong for them to end up at the bottom again

1. Pittsburgh* - easy pick for division win
2. NYR* - step below pittsburgh, but should cruise to second
3. Washington* - Ovi good enough to lead team to playoffs
4. Philadelphia* - should bounce back from bad 12/13 season
5. Carolina - will be in the chase for 4th/crossover playoff spot, but not good enough
6. NYI - Tavares is great, but team isn't.
7. Columbus - last year was one step forward, time for two steps back
8. New Jersey - you can't lose your best forwards two years in a row and get better can you? Could score even less than Nashville.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:58 AM   #24
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Everybody
Flames 13th
Oilers 14th.

Let's be realistic, now.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:46 AM   #25
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2. SJ (4)
3. Anaheim (5)
4. Vancouver (7)
5. Phoenix (11)
6. Edmonton (12)
7. Calgary (14)

CENTRAL:
1. Chicago (1)
2. St. Louis (3)
3. Minnesota (6)
4. Colorado (8)
5. Dallas (9)
6. Winnipeg (10)
7. Nashville (13)

ATLANTIC:
1. Boston (2)
2. Detroit (5)
3. Toronto (6)
4. TB (8)
5. Ottawa (11)
6. Montreal (12)
7. Buffalo (13)
8. Florida (16)

METROPOLITAN:
1. Pittsburgh (1)
2. Philadelphia (3)
3. NYR (4)
4. Carolina (7)
5. Colombus (9)
6. Washington (10)
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8. NJ (15)
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:06 AM   #26
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What does that make the Flames F group then?
Much better than Nashville's.
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:25 AM   #27
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Much better than Nashville's.
Based on what?

Seriously...look at the 2 teams and explain where there is much difference.

I dont doubt that the Flames score more goals, but that will have as much to do with free wheeling Bob Hartleys system vs that of defense first Barry Trotz, but as far as talent.....its a wash at best.

I see the Preds finishing 10pts better than the Flames at the least.
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:44 AM   #28
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I think Boston and to a Smaller Extent Ottawa will benifit from to lowest quality of competition. Look for both Toronto and Montreal to take a step back, I think they caught a few teams flat footed last year, and that wont happen again.


Atlantic Division:
1. Boston Bruins (1)
2. Ottawa Senators (5)
3. Detroit Red Wings (6)
4. Montreal Canadiens (9)
5. Toronto Maple Leafs (10)
6. Tampa Bay Lightning (12)
7. Buffalo Sabres (13)
8. Florida Panthers (16)

The Big City Division will be the most competative, and likely the only one to grab a crossover spot. The NYIlanders are finally turning it arround. The Washington and Philly Vets took a long time to get going last year a full training camp will help. And Carolina seems to do one year on, one year off, so why expect that to change. The Rangers and CBJ also could have a shot.

Metropolitan Division
1. Pittsburgh Penguins (2)
2. New York Islanders (3)
3. Washington Capitals (4)
4. Philadelphia Flyers (7)
5. Carolina Hurricane (8)
6. Columbus Blue Jackets (11)
7. New York Rangers (14)
8. New Jersey Devils (15)

If Detroit or Columbus stayed in the west I probably would not have Denver in the playoffs, I also look for Minnesota to quitely be better this year. Suter really should have won the Norris last year (if it really is for the best Dman, not the highest scoring Dman).

Central Division
1. Chicago (2)
2. St. Louis (5)
3. Minnesota (6)
4. Colorado (8)
5. Dallas (9)
6. Nashville (11)
7. Winnipeg (12)

This is probably the most top heavy division. The California Teams should make the bad teams (Calgary & Phoenix) look really bad, and the average teams (Vancouver & Edmonton) look well below average. I put Vancouver ahead of Edmonton, because I still do not think that Edmonton is prepaired to play against the 6'4'' Power Centers Every Cali team has.

Pacific Division
1. Los Angeles (1)
2. San Jose (3)
3. Anaheim (4)
4. Vancouver (7)
5. Edmonton (10)
6. Phoenix (13)
7. Calgary (14)

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Old 08-26-2013, 09:38 AM   #29
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After several years of the west being by far the stronger conference, it looks (at least to me) like the balance of power has swung back to the east.

In the Metro division, you can make a case for 7 of the teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs. In the Atlantic, there are probably 5 solid teams (2 out of TB, Mtl and the Leafs)

Compare that with the west where, in both divisions, things start to thin out really quickly after 3 teams, or 4 at the most
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:25 PM   #30
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It is going to be a really interesting season with the realignment. I think the Pacific division is going to be a really tough division, which should mean that more teams make the playoffs from that division than from Central.

I was debating whether or not I think the Red Wings could miss the playoffs and breaking their streak. It was tough to envision that happening as I actually view the East as being an easier conference than the West. However, I also think that the Lightning and 'Canes were playing way below where they should have been last season with the amount of talent on their teams.

I can see the 'Canes missing the playoffs simply because of how much they seem to be relying upon Ward. Islanders I think will get bumped by the Red Wings and I envision the Flyers going through yet another goalie-drama filled season.

To make things even worse, we might actually see both the Canucks and the Oilers make the playoffs (assuming the Canucks can keep their heads above water and the Oilers can finally play up to their potential).

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  1. Los Angeles
  2. San Jose
  3. Anaheim
  4. Vancouver
  5. Edmonton
  6. Phoenix
  7. Calgary

CENTRAL
  1. Chicago
  2. St Louis
  3. Minnesota
  4. Dallas
  5. Winnipeg
  6. Colorado
  7. Nashville
ATLANTIC
  1. Boston
  2. Ottawa
  3. Montreal
  4. Tampa Bay
  5. Detroit
  6. Toronto
  7. Buffalo
  8. Florida
METROPOLITAN
  1. Pittsburgh
  2. Washington
  3. Rangers
  4. Carolina
  5. Islanders
  6. Philadelphia
  7. Columbus
  8. New Jersey
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:43 PM   #31
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Based on what?

Seriously...look at the 2 teams and explain where there is much difference.

I dont doubt that the Flames score more goals, but that will have as much to do with free wheeling Bob Hartleys system vs that of defense first Barry Trotz, but as far as talent.....its a wash at best.

I see the Preds finishing 10pts better than the Flames at the least.
The Flames have a better offensive group of forwards.

The entire Nashville group of forwards has a combined total of 5 seasons of 50 points or more (only 3 players). Mike Cammalleri alone has that matched. Don't get me wrong the Predators forward group is vastly superior on the defensive side of the puck, but goal scoring for the Predators is going to be more difficult than usual for them. But you are underrating the offensive talent of the Flames top 9 wingers, offensively the Predators don't even compare.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:11 PM   #32
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The Flames have a better offensive group of forwards.

The entire Nashville group of forwards has a combined total of 5 seasons of 50 points or more (only 3 players). Mike Cammalleri alone has that matched. Don't get me wrong the Predators forward group is vastly superior on the defensive side of the puck, but goal scoring for the Predators is going to be more difficult than usual for them. But you are underrating the offensive talent of the Flames top 9 wingers, offensively the Predators don't even compare.
Are you considering Forsberg as being in the Preds lineup? He should be a full time player this year and will help answer their need for scoring. Perhaps between him and a couple of other young players (Bourque, Wilson, Watson) they will be able to fill in the wings on either side of Legwand and Fisher.

It will likely require Rinne to continue to keep the scoring low but if he can do that then a small increase in scoring for the Preds could go a long way.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:00 PM   #33
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  1. Los Angeles
  2. San Jose
  3. Anaheim
  4. Vancouver
  5. Edmonton
  6. Phoenix
  7. Calgary
CENTRAL
  1. St Louis
  2. Chicago
  3. Dallas
  4. Minnesota
  5. Winnipeg
  6. Colorado
  7. Nashville
ATLANTIC
  1. Ottawa
  2. Boston
  3. Detroit
  4. Tampa Bay
  5. Montreal
  6. Buffalo
  7. Toronto
  8. Florida
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  1. Rangers
  2. Pittsburgh
  3. Islanders
  4. Philadelphia
  5. Washington
  6. Carolina
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:36 PM   #34
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After several years of the west being by far the stronger conference, it looks (at least to me) like the balance of power has swung back to the east.

In the Metro division, you can make a case for 7 of the teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs. In the Atlantic, there are probably 5 solid teams (2 out of TB, Mtl and the Leafs)

Compare that with the west where, in both divisions, things start to thin out really quickly after 3 teams, or 4 at the most
I felt the opposite. Trying to come up with 8 teams to make the play-offs was tough with the garbage that is in the East. I ended up saying the last couple of teams make it because they aren't quite as bad as the other teams.

If you had a straight 30 team league with the top 16 making the play-offs I would expect about 10/11 teams currently in West and 5/6 in East make the play-offs and think that Chicago, LA, St. Louis and SJ at least as good if not better than the top team/s (Boston/Pitts) in the East.
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  1. Los Angeles
  2. San Jose
  3. Vancouver
  4. Edmonton
  5. Anaheim
  6. Phoenix
  7. Calgary
CENTRAL
  1. St Louis
  2. Chicago
  3. Colorado
  4. Minnesota
  5. Dallas
  6. Winnipeg
  7. Nashville
ATLANTIC
  1. Ottawa
  2. Boston
  3. Detroit
  4. Tampa Bay
  5. Montreal
  6. Buffalo
  7. Toronto
  8. Florida
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  1. Rangers
  2. Pittsburgh
  3. Islanders
  4. Philadelphia
  5. Washington
  6. Carolina
  7. New Jersey
  8. Columbus
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:19 AM   #36
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I felt the opposite. Trying to come up with 8 teams to make the play-offs was tough with the garbage that is in the East. I ended up saying the last couple of teams make it because they aren't quite as bad as the other teams.

If you had a straight 30 team league with the top 16 making the play-offs I would expect about 10/11 teams currently in West and 5/6 in East make the play-offs and think that Chicago, LA, St. Louis and SJ at least as good if not better than the top team/s (Boston/Pitts) in the East.
The East was tricky for me as well. Columbus was fighting hard for a playoff spot in the West last year so I really do think they will be in the race to make the playoffs in the East this year but a lot of people are writing them off as a bottom feeder in the Metro division. I think Columbus will be the real gauge as to just how tough the East is compared to the West.

Carolina and Tampa Bay should be competitive as long as their goalie situations work out (Ward stays healthy and Bishop/Lindback platoon well). Neither team should have been tanking the way that they were last season and now that they have added another strong prospect both should be fighting for a playoff spot instead of a draft pick.

A lot of the teams in the East seem to be on an "upswing". The Red Wings are one of the few teams on a downswing but even with their aging vets I believe they can stay a playoff team.
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Anaheim
Vancouver

Edmonton
Phoenix
Calgary

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St. Louis
Dallas
Colorado

Minnesota
Winnipeg
Nashville

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Boston
Ottawa
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Chicago
Dallas
Winnipeg

Minnesota
Colorado
Nashville

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Boston
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Montreal

Detroit
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Are you considering Forsberg as being in the Preds lineup?
You do realize that this is not a in his prime Peter Forsberg right? Even he could not carry that sad sack offense. Filip has not shown anything yet, he has a long way to go.
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I am surprised with the Caps getting the respect that they failed to earn last year.

Winning in the worst div in hockey by taking half a season off and just beating Winnipeg in the last week is not a team that should be getting an automatic pass to the playoffs. If they played like that in any other div they would never have been able to catch up.

Hopefully a harder div now will correct all of the inflated numbers that came out of the SE
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