04-20-2016, 01:52 PM
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Let's assess the qualities of our coach based on what he said to one guy about beer hockey at an event!
Seriously, maybe he gets asked that all the time and doesn't really want to get into it. Similar to how lawyers and doctors always get asked for free advice.
The Flames had terri-bad goalies this year. Hanging that on the coach isn't fair. He had crap to work with. Crap in. Crap out.
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04-20-2016, 01:56 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Let's assess the qualities of our coach based on what he said to one guy about beer hockey at an event!
Seriously, maybe he gets asked that all the time and doesn't really want to get into it. Similar to how lawyers and doctors always get asked for free advice.
The Flames had terri-bad goalies this year. Hanging that on the coach isn't fair. He had crap to work with. Crap in. Crap out.
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Don't forget about mechanics and IT guys!
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04-20-2016, 02:00 PM
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#23
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Buff
Don't forget about mechanics and IT guys!
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And investment guys!
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04-20-2016, 02:03 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Unless you are in the room you have no idea if the current guy is helping or hurting the team.
These guys are NHL goaltenders. You're not working with a 12 year old kid. You can offer tweaks and drills that may help at the margins, but you're either good or not at this point. If the Flames trade for Carey Price this summer - he'll be good if Sigalet stays or goes.
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04-20-2016, 02:52 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Unless you are in the room you have no idea if the current guy is helping or hurting the team.
These guys are NHL goaltenders. You're not working with a 12 year old kid. You can offer tweaks and drills that may help at the margins, but you're either good or not at this point. If the Flames trade for Carey Price this summer - he'll be good if Sigalet stays or goes.
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With that theory then no specialized coach is important. Either he's important or he's not. If he is, then his importance is tied to the success of goaltending. If there's no success, then either the position isn't important, or it still is but the person in that role is not suited for it.
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04-20-2016, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Let's assess the qualities of our coach based on what he said to one guy about beer hockey at an event!
Seriously, maybe he gets asked that all the time and doesn't really want to get into it. Similar to how lawyers and doctors always get asked for free advice.
The Flames had terri-bad goalies this year. Hanging that on the coach isn't fair. He had crap to work with. Crap in. Crap out.
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Geez. Officially and for the record, I didn't take it too seriously.
The whole punch line is that Hiller did not improve all year, under his coaching, and maybe he gave Hiller the same advice he gave me.
And yes, you should at least partially hang failure to eradicate obvious flaws on the coach.
(And at an event where the staff and players are interfacing and networking with the STH community, nothing wrong with trying out their people skills)
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04-20-2016, 06:47 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by tvp2003
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Hard to follow exactly what it involves based on the article. But interesting concept. Thanks!
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04-19-2017, 08:39 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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This must be the off season in which the Flames get a new goalie coaching.
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04-19-2017, 08:41 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Calgary
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Elliott's already been employing the blindfold tactic except he uses it in real games too.
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04-19-2017, 08:43 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by taco.vidal
This must be the off season in which the Flames get a new goalie coaching.
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You know it's a problem when it's a reoccurring April question. I think Treliving needs to understand that Sigalet could end up costing people jobs like GG and himself for starters. He has to leave no stone unturned this offseason in regards to finding a starting goaltender and goaltending coach. Just keeping Sigalet around and adding new goaltenders every season is turning into lipstick on a pig at this stage. I'm sure he's a great guy but it hasn't worked out and it's to the point that you have to change everything up in regards to goaltending from the coaching down.
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04-19-2017, 08:43 PM
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Franchise Player
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Sigalet should have been fired after last year
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04-19-2017, 08:48 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Stampede Corral
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Like the two goalies, Sigalet is done. See ya!
Semi-interesting stat, Sigalet literally played one minute, total, in the NHL.
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04-19-2017, 08:50 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: AB
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It bugs me to no end that we could of had a head trajectory coach in the minors (maybe even the NHL by now) but cheaped out. Now I get to "enjoy" his success in Edmonton.
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04-19-2017, 09:03 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
I can tell you from first hand experience, no one works harder than Jordan Sigalet. The guy barely goes home. He's always chopping and cropping video for his goalies, compiling shooter tendencies and instructing on techniques against those shooters. He sits up top during a game and tracks shots. Literally clicks dots on a virtual ice surface using his Macbook to track shots from every opponent. Then wakes up in the morning and compiles those dots into a workable lesson to implement into practice.
He's an incredible goalie coach and his promotion a couple of years ago was very well deserved. Get this guy a malleable young-ish starting goaltender and you'll see his work come through.
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Found Jordan's account
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04-19-2017, 09:06 PM
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Let's assess the qualities of our coach based on what he said to one guy about beer hockey at an event!
Seriously, maybe he gets asked that all the time and doesn't really want to get into it. Similar to how lawyers and doctors always get asked for free advice.
The Flames had terri-bad goalies this year. Hanging that on the coach isn't fair. He had crap to work with. Crap in. Crap out.
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He's had crap x4 now I guess. So if it's not on Treliving for changing goalies, getting a guy who was top of the NHL before he got here, there has to be a root cause.
Why is your imperative to defend any coach at all costs?
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04-19-2017, 09:07 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
I can tell you from first hand experience, no one works harder than Jordan Sigalet. The guy barely goes home. He's always chopping and cropping video for his goalies, compiling shooter tendencies and instructing on techniques against those shooters. He sits up top during a game and tracks shots. Literally clicks dots on a virtual ice surface using his Macbook to track shots from every opponent. Then wakes up in the morning and compiles those dots into a workable lesson to implement into practice.
He's an incredible goalie coach and his promotion a couple of years ago was very well deserved. Get this guy a malleable young-ish starting goaltender and you'll see his work come through.
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I could work hard and put in 100's of hours a week and still be a terrible goalie coach too. Effort and dedication mean nothing if you're crap.
Proof is in the pudding, and his pudding has been leakier than a sieve the last 4 games. He has 1 job, and has clearly failed at it.
Another garbage bagger come Friday.
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04-19-2017, 09:09 PM
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#38
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by spetch
It bugs me to no end that we could of had a head trajectory coach in the minors (maybe even the NHL by now) but cheaped out. Now I get to "enjoy" his success in Edmonton.
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Who is this coach?
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04-19-2017, 09:15 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: AB
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Originally Posted by Par
Who is this coach?
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Dustin Schwartz. Higher up in OR sports which uses head trajectory (current Oilers GC), offered a one year deal for Adirondack. He wanted two because his wife would have to give up her solid nursing position to move. Flames said no to that and a few months later he became the Oiler GC. Had some very good success with Broisiot (Sp?) and Jarry but never played in the NHL. Was small and has a temper that he couldn't overcome. Good teacher just couldn't get the mental part down himself.
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04-19-2017, 09:16 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by spetch
Dustin Schwartz. Higher up in OR sports which uses head trajectory (current Oilers GC), offered a one year deal for Adirondack. He wanted two because his wife would have to give up her solid nursing position to move. Flames said no to that and a few months later he became the Oiler GC. Had some very good success with Broisiot (Sp?) and Jarry but never played in the NHL. Was small and has a temper that he couldn't overcome. Good teacher just couldn't get the mental part down himself.
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Flames need to stop cheaping out on goalies.
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