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Old 08-12-2017, 03:54 PM   #41
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Nothing laughable about it. Murray's had outstanding playoff stats the last two years. He has had better stats than star goalies that would be considered franchise players. And it's seriously also worth considering that about two thirds of the games in which Murray has accumulated those playoff stats have come against conference finalists or cup finalists, not first round fodder.

How highly would you value a young Lundqvist, Quick or Kipper?

Just looking at the evidence now, which is all we have, Murray's got more to show than pretty much anyone else under 25.
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:57 PM   #42
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14. Mitch Marner
15. Aaron Ekblad
16. Aleksander Barkov
17. Dougie Hamilton
18. Seth Jones
19. Sean Monahan
20. Nikolaj Ehlers
21. William Nylander
22. Jacob Slavin
23. Brandon Saad
24. Jonathon Drouin
25. Max Domi

Not sure Marner has the miles on his resume to be up that high.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:21 PM   #43
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Only players I'm taking over Gaudreau are: McDavid, Matthews, Laine, Eichel and Barkov

Kucherov had an amazing year last season, but the previous two he was beneath Johnny. I see them as equivalents.

I also see Schiefele as an equivalent. Guy is playing with 4 arguable top line forwards and shot an outrageous 20% last season. Need to see him repeat it.

Pastrnak is the last equivalent for me.

Drai and Forsberg are not on Johnny's level.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:27 PM   #44
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Schiefele also scored 29 goals in 15-16.
Think it's hard to argue that he's not the real deal. Not saying he's ahead of Gaudreau though.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:28 PM   #45
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Schiefele also scored 29 goals in 15-16.
Think it's hard to argue that he's not the real deal.
I mean, he is the real deal either way. My thing is if he's superior to Gaudreau.
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:21 PM   #46
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12. Nathan McKinnon
13. David Pastrnak
14. Mitch Marner
15. Aaron Ekblad
16. Aleksander Barkov
17. Dougie Hamilton
18. Seth Jones
19. Sean Monahan
20. Nikolaj Ehlers
21. William Nylander
22. Jacob Slavin
23. Brandon Saad
24. Jonathon Drouin
25. Max Domi
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:35 PM   #47
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Don't understand how McKinnon can possibly be ranked ahead of Barkov, Pasternak, Monahan, etc?
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:52 PM   #48
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Don't understand how McKinnon can possibly be ranked ahead of Barlow, Pasternak, Monahan, etc?
Yeah that's not right. I like Mackinnon. But it's at the point now where he's living off his high draft position, rookie season, and the magical elixir of potential. How many more seasons is he allowed to get by on that? At some stage, points and results matter.

I think he should be on the top 25 list. At the very least much closer to Monahan, and most certainly not ahead of Barkov.
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Old 08-14-2017, 01:57 PM   #49
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Don't understand how McKinnon can possibly be ranked ahead of Barlow, Pasternak, Monohan, etc?
McKinnon can do his thing at high speed with top line mates, as shown in the World Cup. To me also Sean had an off year which lowered his ranking.
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Number 11 - Johnny Gaudreau.

https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/fla...hnny-gaudreau/

Really surprised he's not much much higher.
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