Who do you WANT to be the Flames Starting Goalie Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[codynw]

Elliott stunk for at least half of the season. That's why I don't want him back, not because of two playoff games.

[dino7c]

He played good for a couple months...that isn't good enough sorry

Its the most important position in hockey, it is what it is...guy certainly cost more games than he stole

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He played good for a couple months...that isn't good enough sorry

Its the most important position in hockey, it is what it is...guy certainly cost more games than he stole

I don't think I can say he stole any games in the same breath as me saying what else I have said. But when he was dialed in he was exactly what a team built like the Flames needed, competent

[Alberta_Beef]

I love how people have the narrative that he was only good in 2 months and completely ignore that his "good months" were the majority of his season. Elliott was ranked 11th in in Quality Start % among goalies that started 30 or more games.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Without Elliott playing lights out the team wouldn't have gone on a 10 game win streak with Johnson in net. He deserves a lot of the credit due to his play in the stretch.

Without forcing the starters position on Elliott after Johnson clearly outplayed him. Maybe Johnson doesn't go ice cold. Maybe we get a different playoff seed, maybe we beat Anaheim. We'll never know.

If Elliott doesnt crap the bed and actually steals some games early in the season maybe don't need to win 11 straight to squeek in the playoffs.

On a side note I'm genuinely surprised to not read anyone shifting blame to the hellboy pads. Especially after that article with Elliott that got a fair amount of attention.

[chedder]

I've wondered that too. Johnson seemed to be playing quite well when the switch to Elliott permanently starting happened.

[dino7c]

bring back the same team, get the same result

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Without forcing the starters position on Elliott after Johnson clearly outplayed him. Maybe Johnson doesn't go ice cold. Maybe we get a different playoff seed, maybe we beat Anaheim. We'll never know.

What are you talking about? They never forced the starter's position on Elliott. They went to win and you're in because both were struggling, then Elliott took the ball and ran with it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think I can say he stole any games in the same breath as me saying what else I have said. But when he was dialed in he was exactly what a team built like the Flames needed, competent

I think both sides of the argument have some truth. I don' think Elliott is a great starter to play more than 40 games, but I like him as a 1B or back-up. It's not a knock on him, some goalies are just better when they are not solely responsible for carrying the team (Turek was the same way).

Looking at the list of likely goalie targets, if we go for a relative unknown, I would welcome bringing Elliott back as an alternate goalie in case plan A goes sideways.

If we get a legit 60+ game #1 goalie, then I would like to see someone like Rittich get a shot at backing up (and salary structure might require such a set up).

The thing that scares me though, is the rumour that Mike Smith is the guy the Flames are going to target. If that is the true, I would rather just bring Elliott back.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

bring back the same team, get the same result

Playoffs!

I know what you're saying though, but the one thing we need to keep in mind is the team (and the goaltender) record against Anaheim. What if the Flames draw the Oilers or Sharks in round 1? Who knows the outcome.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by dino7c

bring back the same team, get the same result

That is simply not true at all. What about development? Injuries? Luck? Hot/cold streaks? Confidence? All those things (among others) can change drastically year to year.

[dino7c]

I for one won't be too excited seeing the same team back next year

upgrade the top line RW and goal tending or expect more of the same

losing out in 4 straight in the 1st round isn't a successful season IMO

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

bring back the same team, get the same result

in sports, this is absolutely not true

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It is absolutely amazing to me that people can completely write a guy off after 2 poor playoff games when weeks earlier they were clamouring for him to be re-signed.

Or, it's kind of stupid that people wanted to re-sign Elliott after he had given us two months of good goaltending in a season.

Very human, but stupid.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Itse

Or, it's kind of stupid that people wanted to re-sign Elliott after he had given us two months of good goaltending in a season.

I'm so sick of this clueless narrative that he was only good for 2 months. He was poor for the first 4-6 weeks of the year, 3 games in January and 2 in the playoffs. He was good in December, great in February and March and good in April until the playoffs. He was 11th best in quality start % for goalies that started at least 30 games. His GAA and SV% were average.

This unrelenting need to blame only Elliott from so many fans is just so stupid.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

What are you talking about? They never forced the starter's position on Elliott. They went to win and you're in because both were struggling, then Elliott took the ball and ran with it.

Not how I remember it. Elliott was constantly being given starts to play through his struggles. Johnson not so much. That's how I remember it.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm so sick of this clueless narrative that he was only good for 2 months. He was poor for the first 4-6 weeks of the year, 3 games in January and 2 in the playoffs. He was good in December, great in February and March and good in April until the playoffs. He was 11th best in quality start % for goalies that started at least 30 games. His GAA and SV% were average.

This unrelenting need to blame only Elliott from so many fans is just so stupid.

You've said this twice and I don't think anyone is listening. This is a huge stat for Elliott. Sure I want Carey Price, but who doesn't. But 11th out of 30 is solid.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

You've said this twice and I don't think anyone is listening. This is a huge stat for Elliott. Sure I want Carey Price, but who doesn't. But 11th out of 30 is solid.

It doesn't fit their need to publicly lynch Elliott.

[Mister Yamoto]

11th is nothing special.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

11th is nothing special.

Then you don't understand QS%.
The notables he beat out are: Andersen, Gibson, Rinne, Murray, Allen, Luongo, Vas, Crawford, Bishop....

11th solid.