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Old 03-09-2012, 01:21 PM   #1
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Default Black teen shot and killed by neighborhood watch in Orlando gated community

Hard to believe that racism didn't play a factor... Don't understand how the shooter isn't under arrest yet.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/0...dade-teen.html

A different point of view...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,1380794.story

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That might be one of the most biased articles I've ever read. The police say its still under investigation and no one even knows what happened in the altercation.

Strong speculation on the reporter and the family's part IMO.
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I'd like to wait and see what the investigation pulls up before I start screaming racist.

The fact that neighbourhood watch members are running around with guns is several degrees past the level of stupid tho.
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Wannabe cops are fataing scary man.
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The fact that neighbourhood watch members are running around with guns is several degrees past the level of stupid tho.
THIS!!

What kind of person wants to be 'that guy?' Who wants to be the armed neighbourhood watch? Wannabes who watched too much NYPD Blue.
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I'd like to wait and see what the investigation pulls up before I start screaming racist.

The fact that neighbourhood watch members are running around with guns is several degrees past the level of stupid tho.
It seems the call to the police might be racially motivated (although he could have been casing cars or homes). However, the neighborhood watch guy should have stopped at that. No need to confront someone, that's not his job and there is no reason to be carrying a gun.
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Is there another story I'm missing that's not in the article? how is it hard to believe racism isn't a factor?

Maybe cold blooded murder or self defence, but how exactly did anyone get racism from that article?
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It seems the call to the police might be racially motivated (although he could have been casing cars or homes). However, the neighborhood watch guy should have stopped at that. No need to confront someone, that's not his job and there is no reason to be carrying a gun.
I would agree, but there are precious little facts that support that the call was even racially motivated unless I missed something in the article.

For all we know he heard glass breaking and called the cops, came around the corner and saw a shadow and opened fire.

For all we know this might be a colorless incident.

Its just bugs me slightly when people jump on the assumption wagon before the facts come out.
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I'd like to wait and see what the investigation pulls up before I start screaming racist.

The fact that neighbourhood watch members are running around with guns is several degrees past the level of stupid tho.
But everyone having a gun would make the world a safer place, right Mr. Heston?
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Is there another story I'm missing that's not in the article? how is it hard to believe racism isn't a factor?

Maybe cold blooded murder or self defence, but how exactly did anyone get racism from that article?
Well I have watched a couple of news videos on it that presented it in a very racist light... That the black kid was doing nothing but walking back home, when Zimmerman reported him as suspicious.
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But everyone having a gun would make the world a safer place, right Mr. Heston?
What in the Blue Blazes are you talking about? I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I've never stated that ever.

I'm completely confused by your post.
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Well I have watched a couple of news videos on it that presented it in a very racist light... That the black kid was doing nothing but walking back home, when Zimmerman reported him as suspicious.
Its the media

I don't think that they were there when the shooting happened?

I haven't seen any eye witness statements.

Of course they're going to present it in a light that will drive sales.

I think before we tarp this as some evil racist white supremist with a gun crime it would be nice to wait for some kind of official word.

What if the shooter's family comes out in a couple of days and makes statement that the shooter doesn't have a racist bone in his body?
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What in the Blue Blazes are you talking about? I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I've never stated that ever.

I'm completely confused by your post.
I think he was agreeing with you...
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If so then I was confused by the lack of green text, my sensitivity and the fact that I feel bloated and not pretty and my mangina aches.

and all that stuff.

Sorry Valo
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What in the Blue Blazes are you talking about? I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I've never stated that ever.

I'm completely confused by your post.
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If so then I was confused by the lack of green text, my sensitivity and the fact that I feel bloated and not pretty and my mangina aches.

and all that stuff.

Sorry Valo
Ha, no problem. When i posted it I was thinking 'he's going to think I'm calling him Mr. Heston and be so confused' and decided I'd take the chance.
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Sounds like the older guy pulled the young black guy over and accused him of doing something illegal, black kid gets angry and fists start flying, white guy shoots kid.

It might have been self-defense, but i bet he gets charged with manslaughter.
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Sounds like the older guy pulled the young black guy over and accused him of doing something illegal, black kid gets angry and fists start flying, white guy shoots kid.

It might have been self-defense, but i bet he gets charged with manslaughter.
What makes it sound like that?

Facts so far:

-kid is black
-old guy finds him in community and is suspicious of him
-cops also agree he is suspicious
-kid found on ground dead from gunshot
-signs that old guy was in struggle, possibly on his back on the ground

The rest is imagination at this point. Guy should be in jail at this point I agree, but no evidence in these reports to suggest this. Could have happened. Maybe the youth was breaking into a car?
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What makes it sound like that?

Facts so far:

-kid is black
-old guy finds him in community and is suspicious of him
-cops also agree he is suspicious
-kid found on ground dead from gunshot
-signs that old guy was in struggle, possibly on his back on the ground

The rest is imagination at this point. Guy should be in jail at this point I agree, but no evidence in these reports to suggest this. Could have happened. Maybe the youth was breaking into a car?
It comes down to the "Suspicious of him part", and what the kid was doing.

If the shooter was attacked then it doesn't matter about the color of the kid.

If he was legitimately defending himself then he shouldn't be in jail at all.

I doubt that the neighbourhood Watch advocates fuys running around with a pistol, I think its stupid for a civillian with little training and little in the way of testing being armed and put in a situation by himself.

This sounds more like a tragic incident then race violence to me.
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