[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Flames discussing 1st, pick, and prospect for Hamonic

[Cantrader]

Hope we are not dangling Bennett for Harmonic...

[AC]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Is he worth the kind of rumored assets NYI want? Heck no

Which are?
I haven't seen anything mentioned.

[SuperMatt18]

I feel like we should just go after Demers and take the full cap hit off Florida's hands.

Probably comes a lot cheaper.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cantrader

Hope we are not dangling Bennett for Harmonic...

Zero chance IMO

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Harmonic is quickly becoming the most overated D in the league.

I actually wonder how many people have ever watched him play!

Is he above average? Sure. Would he be great as a 4th D? Sure. Is he worth the kind of rumored assets NYI want? Heck no

Top 4 dmen are worth boatloads in trade. Especially when they are signed for reasonable prices.

Dmen in general are worth a ton in trades. Look at every trade deadline.

You'd have to think Treliving won't give up more for Hamonic than he gave up for Hamilton.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Like I said in the trade rumours thread, adding Methot/Hamonic and Stone would give us one of the best defences in the league. Don't know exactly how feasible it is. But I do like the names being mentioned. Ideally we'd add two #4 defensemen who are more the physical, defensive defensemen types. That allows us to work in an Andersson or Kulak as the 6th dman and have a nice balance of puck moving, skating, physicality, strength, etc.

These so called `Super' defense units with too many top 3-4 guys seldom seem to work out.

Nashville works well because they have a clearly established top 4, and a third pair that they can play for 12 minutes a night. Tying to shuffle 5 guys for top 4 ice time just seems to result in a unit that lacks cohesiveness.

Really I thought Stone was a nice addition last year because him and Brodie did play well together and the Flames had a top 4 they could put out for 48 minutes a night. The players all seemed to know what their role was, and were able to play that role.

I think you want to have that top 4, and emerging guys on the bottom pair who can take a bit more when injuries hit. But if you try to play an entire season with 5 top 4 guys...I think the unit as a whole doesn't seem to find it's stride.

So once they find a true number 4, I'd be looking to the bargain bin for another 5-6-7 guy come in and compete with the lower end depth.

[DallasFlamesFan]

I'm not sure that Hamonic will be good value right now and I'm just as happy signing Stone and going after a top 6RW. With that said, he could be a nice addition if he could be had for something around 1st + Wotherspoon/Poirier/Klimchuk or possibly 1st + Kulak/Shinkaruk. Doesn't sound like those get it done though and we shouldn't be paying any more.

[getbak]

[Erick Estrada]

I would rather use the 16th pick on a skill player than use it in a package for one of these guys. Seems to be a little early in the rebuild to abandon the draft/develop process and trade first round picks especially for an older player like Methot.

[Roof-Daddy]

Giordano - Hamilton
TJ Brodie - Hamonic
Kylington - Stone

Pretty balanced D. A lot of cap into it with Stone signed at $3.5 or so but its deep, well balanced and 5 of them are 27 or under.

[TheScorpion]

@Erick Estrada: Hamonic is 26...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Giordano - Hamilton
TJ Brodie - Hamonic
Kylington - Stone

Pretty balanced D. A lot of cap into it with Stone signed at $3.5 or so but its deep, well balanced and 5 of them are 27 or under.

I think there's at least two or maybe three defensemen ahead of Kylington in the organizational depth chart.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

@Erick Estrada: Hamonic is 26...

@TheScorpion: Please re-read my post..... I realize Hamonic isn't old but I still don't like the team going for it this early.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think there's at least two or maybe three defensemen ahead of Kylington in the organizational depth chart.

I would assume Andersson goes the other way in a Hamonic trade but yeah go ahead and put Kulak or Wotherspoon in place of Kylington as it IMO it would be those three battling for the 6 and 7 spots along with Bartkowsi.

[Street Pharmacist]

Noooooooo on methotrexate pls

[CaptainCrunch]

[devo22]

Hamonic makes 3.87m until 2020. That's a pretty sweet deal for a legitimate top 4 defenseman in his mid 20s, I thought he'd make more. In terms of cap, the Flames could easily trade for Hamonic, re-sign Stone and take care of their RFAs.

[Vinny01]

I am certainly pro Hamonic. He replaces a lot of what Engellend did butnisnyounger and better. His contract is appealing as he does not even make $4M per. Trade for him and give Stone a 3 year deal the Flames blueline would be among the most formidable in the league for the next 3 years.

No to trading Bennett, Jankowski, Anderson, Parsons. I am okay with other prospects and picks being in the deal.

Do this and sign a decent winger in free agency like a Marleau for 2 years and the team is shaping up nicely.

[IgiTang]

If Hamonic was acquired, there is a serious log jam for our D prospects, one would have to be going the other way.

I'll play the trade game

To NYI - 2017 1st, Kylington, Kulak

To YYC - Hamonic, 2018 2nd Rd pick

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Like I said in the trade rumours thread, adding Methot/Hamonic and Stone would give us one of the best defences in the league. Don't know exactly how feasible it is. But I do like the names being mentioned. Ideally we'd add two #4 defensemen who are more the physical, defensive defensemen types. That allows us to work in an Andersson or Kulak as the 6th dman and have a nice balance of puck moving, skating, physicality, strength, etc.

If they can pick up Methot/Hamonic and re-sign Stone then I think they should just roll with what they have at that point.

Would probably be too difficult to add a top RW with the money tied up on D and Stajan and Bouma contracts still on the books for a year, but the Flames offence with the current crop over the past 3 seasons has still been in the upper half of the league. So if you can really beef up the blue line, just go with the same forwards, add a Jankowski and see what Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett and Tkachuk can do with another year of maturation.

I'd see a team similar to Nashville if they can really bolster the 4-6 positions on defence.