[Trade] Wild trade Tuch for Vegas to select Haula. Wild get conditional pick.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Wth? Why wouldn't you just take dumba?

Likely because of all the D they're taking from other teams, and the fact that Haula is a Centre - and there weren't a lot of quality centres made available through the expansion draft directly.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Wth? Why wouldn't you just take dumba?

because they're dumbasses.

[sureLoss]

per Mike Russo:
http://www.startribune.com/wild-s-er...end/429898333/

Erik Haula is Vegas-bound, as well as a prized Wild prospect.

Haula, a speedy former University of Minnesota center, will not only become the one Wild player lost to the expansion Vegas Golden Knights during tonight’s NHL Awards Show and expansion announcement, he’ll become the first – or one of the first – free-agent signings in Golden Knights history, multiple NHL sources say.

Haula, who would have become a restricted free agent July 1, agreed to a multi-year deal with the Golden Knights during their exclusive free-agency window that ended at 7 a.m. Pacific time this morning. That was also the deadline for Vegas to submit its initial 30-player roster to the NHL and sign and submit unprotected free agents.

In exchange for the Golden Knights choosing Haula in expansion and steering clear of, among others, defensemen Matt Dumba and Marco Scandella and center Eric Staal, the Wild has agreed to trade prospect Alex Tuch and a conditional future draft pick to Vegas, sources say.

When I get the complicated details of the pick later today, I’ll report them

[StrykerSteve]

Vegas is going to have one heck of a prospect pool.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JayP

The alternative is that Vegas just selects Dumba and then immediately trades him back to Minnesota for the same haul after the expansion draft. There's no way for the NHL to get around this so they've done the only smart thing and embraced it so everything is above board and there are official trades and not just handshake deals.

That's the way an expansion draft is supposed to work. Pick the players and once you have their rights then you are free to conduct business like any other NHL team so if they were to trade Dumba back to the Wild then fine. All this wheeling and dealing prior has turned the actual draft into a bit of a farce.

[Love]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Vegas is going to have one heck of a prospect pool.

Was just thinking this. Depending on how many of their future 1st's are 2017, they could have a top 5 prospect pool coming out of the draft weekend lol.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's the way an expansion draft is supposed to work. Pick the players and once you have their rights then you are free to conduct business like any other NHL team so if they were to trade Dumba back to the Wild then fine. All this wheeling and dealing prior has turned the actual draft into a bit of a farce.

Man, I have the exact opposite reaction. It makes the process as a whole much more interesting from where I sit.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Man, I have the exact opposite reaction. It makes the process as a whole much more interesting from where I sit.

Maybe it's me because I work in a structured industry and am held to high ethical standards. This draft has been great for the people that love trade rumors and keep Eklund in business but I prefer a more legitimate process over handshake agreements and all these other pre-draft shenanigans. IMO it cheapens the process.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Wth? Why wouldn't you just take dumba?

They think that this is better for them. Like any other trade made in the NHL.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe it's me because I work in a structured industry and am held to high ethical standards. This draft has been great for the people that love trade rumors and keep Eklund in business but I prefer a more legitimate process over handshake agreements and all these other pre-draft shenanigans. IMO it cheapens the process.

I don't think these are "handshake agreements" and "pre-draft shenanigans".

These are legitimate trades made by Vegas because they think it's in their best interest to make such trades. They can't back out of these deals.

I'm not sure why it's any different than the usual deadline deals to strengthen clubs for the stretch run.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They think that this is better for them. Like any other trade made in the NHL.

Thank you, that is insightful.

[GirlySports]

it's strange how you can trade something for nothing. Vegas is not giving up anything, just not selecting these players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Thank you, that is insightful.

Then why ask if you already knew the reason?

Vegas is doing what is best for them.

Maybe they don't like Dumba as much as Minny does. Maybe they already have a bunch of d-men, and figure they can trade from a position of strength.

Who knows, but it's clear they like what they are getting more than what they are giving up.

I think we need to wait and see the exact details of the trades before we can really comment on whether we think Vegas did the right thing.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Vegas wants to sacrifice a bit of now competitiveness, is that any different than what Vancouver is doing (or at least what they should be doing), or what Calgary or many others recently did?

Ummm... The Flames did what now?

I know Pittsburgh tanked and got a couple popular guys and the Bozo's up north have been doing it for a decade, and yes I've heard rumblings that this will be the Canucks approach to building a winner..

But the Flames? I don't effin think so pal.

[DropIt]

Haula + Tuch + pick seems worth much more than Dumba

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Ummm... The Flames did what now?

I know Pittsburgh tanked and got a couple popular guys and the Bozo's up north have been doing it for a decade, and yes I've heard rumblings that this will be the Canucks approach to building a winner..

But the Flames? I don't effin think so pal.

I am referring to simply rebuilding. Not tanking. Trading current assets for future assets.

The Flames traded Iggy, Boumeester etc. for draft picks.

Vegas is foregoing some current assets for some future assets. They are rebuilding out of the gate to improve their future, as they should do.

[mdubz]

So they get Haula, Tuch, a pick AND can still select Nino from the Wild?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by mdubz

So they get Haula, Tuch, a pick AND can still select Nino from the Wild?

? Niederrriter is protected.

Haula is the pick, he was signed by Vegas as an RFA.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Then why ask if you already knew the reason?

Vegas is doing what is best for them.

Maybe they don't like Dumba as much as Minny does. Maybe they already have a bunch of d-men, and figure they can trade from a position of strength.

Who knows, but it's clear they like what they are getting more than what they are giving up.

I think we need to wait and see the exact details of the trades before we can really comment on whether we think Vegas did the right thing.

no kidding....? Haha I'm aware that gms make deals in their preceived best interest. In this case I personally don't agree with McPhee that they are making the best move. Just one fans opinion, don't have to read so much into it.

[sureLoss]

They were probably not getting Dumba anyways. Wild would have traded away some D before the trade freeze if this deal wasn't agreed to.