07-04-2017, 12:05 PM
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#41
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Yakupov's 9 points in 40 games would have ranked 18th on the Flames last year; 13th among forwards. This is utterly laughable.
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Yeah, I enjoy poking the Flames as much as anyone but if Yakupov is in a team's top 6 they're nowhere near a playoff spot.
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07-04-2017, 12:05 PM
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#42
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Originally Posted by rain_e
Let's look at Jiri Hudler when he played on that line. Then lets look at Michael Ferland. I love Ferland on the team but it could be a much more productive line with someone with some more play making skill.
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You're comparing a veteran, Cup-winning playmaker to a kid in his second full NHL season. Ferland absolutely has shown he can play on the top line with those guys.
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07-04-2017, 12:07 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
You're comparing a veteran, Cup-winning playmaker to a kid in his second full NHL season. Ferland absolutely has shown he can play on the top line with those guys.
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Who also might be done at an NHL playing level now.
Last edited by Karl; 07-04-2017 at 12:09 PM.
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07-04-2017, 12:09 PM
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#44
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
Who also might be done at an NHL playing level now.
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Sure, but wasn't when he played on that line. His post seemed to suggest that because he wasn't as proficient as Hudler, he wasn't the right fit for that spot, which I disagree with. People often forget how young Ferland is.
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07-04-2017, 12:20 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Ferland may not be your typical 1st line player, but most teams in a cap era seem to spread the talent out.
You often see a team's top 6 forwards spread out over 3 lines, with another solid player being put on each line for balance.
But Ferland can play with and contribute to a line with Johnny and Monny.
But no one is suggesting he's one of Calgary's top 3 forwards.
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07-04-2017, 12:20 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Sure, but wasn't when he played on that line. His post seemed to suggest that because he wasn't as proficient as Hudler, he wasn't the right fit for that spot, which I disagree with. People often forget how young Ferland is.
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Yep. Ferland provides a great compliment to that 1st line with his toughness and grit, plus he's got enough skill to keep up reasonably and effectively finish off offensive plays too.
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07-04-2017, 12:21 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rain_e
Also on the Flames he would have been last year. Someday people will start to realize Ferland isn't the answer for # 1 winger.
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Maybe let's give the guy more than 20 games on the top line, sprinkled with some much deserved PP time before making such claims?
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07-04-2017, 12:28 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
People often forget how young Ferland is.
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Not to get in the middle of this debate, but Ferland is 25. Yes, he has developed late, but I'm not sure you really qualify as young when you were drafted 7 years ago.
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07-04-2017, 12:32 PM
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#49
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
Not to get in the middle of this debate, but Ferland is 25. Yes, he has developed late, but I'm not sure you really qualify as young when you were drafted 7 years ago.
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Fair enough, but he's a young 25 (April birthday). I seem to recall he only started playing hockey in his mid-teens. He seems Giordano-ish in that late development curve.
But regardless, he's only really been in the lineup for two seasons and he's shown solid progression over that time. I'm excited to see what he brings next season!
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07-04-2017, 12:32 PM
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#50
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
Not to get in the middle of this debate, but Ferland is 25. Yes, he has developed late, but I'm not sure you really qualify as young when you were drafted 7 years ago.
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"Raw" is probably a better word to use than "young" when describing Ferland in this respect. I particularly like the fact that he has improved every year since turning pro, and he continues to leave the impression that there is another level after every season.
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07-04-2017, 12:41 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Has this franchise hit rock bottom yet? 48 points is looking like a lofty goal next season.
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07-04-2017, 12:51 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Fair enough, but he's a young 25 (April birthday)But regardless, he's only really been in the lineup for two seasons and he's shown solid progression over that time. I'm excited to see what he brings next season!
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Agreed, he definitely showed some really nice progression last year. I'm not sure I ever seen him being more than a 15-20 goal scorer, but there should still be some room to grow there.
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07-04-2017, 12:53 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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At this point, Ferland is a better offensive player than Yakupov. I expect Yak to finish with the league's worst +/- if he plays the whole season.
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07-04-2017, 12:59 PM
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#54
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Netherlands
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"Well we think you're a top 6 winger but we just don't want to pay you like one."
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07-04-2017, 01:15 PM
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#55
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rain_e
Also on the Flames he would have been last year. Someday people will start to realize Ferland isn't the answer for # 1 winger.
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can we please keep this thread on topic and get back to talking about Jankowski
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07-04-2017, 01:30 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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They built one of the strongest teams of the late 90s by trading away former first overall picks. Now, they're building one of the worst teams of this decade by acquiring former first overall picks.
I wonder which first-overall pick has been teammates with the most other first-overall picks in his career? This will bring Yak to 5: Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, MacKinnon, and Johnson.
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07-04-2017, 01:36 PM
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#57
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#1 Goaltender
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Yakupov works hard and skates well but has the hockey sense of a fire hydrant. His best bet would be as a PK specialist and fourth liner. He should forget the offensive side of the puck and try to use his speed as an asset as a shutdown winger.
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07-04-2017, 01:41 PM
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#58
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Where does he rank among draft busts?
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07-04-2017, 02:23 PM
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#59
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Has this franchise hit rock bottom yet? 48 points is looking like a lofty goal next season.
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I'd really like to know what the hell they are thinking. I know they want to trade Duchene and Landeskog but how much is that going to help?
They were historically bad this season. And to me, their off season might be even worse. Bernier, Colin Wilson and Nail Yakupov as their "major" acquisitions. As of today, 3 NHL D under contract. And with 4OA they picked a project player out of the AJHL.
Obviously Sakic has some sort of plan. But I am genuinely curious as to what the hell this plan is.
I think Vegas will finish ahead of Colorado this year.
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07-04-2017, 02:27 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto
I'd really like to know what the hell they are thinking. I know they want to trade Duchene and Landeskog but how much is that going to help?
They were historically bad this season. And to me, their off season might be even worse. Bernier, Colin Wilson and Nail Yakupov as their "major" acquisitions. As of today, 3 NHL D under contract. And with 4OA they picked a project player out of the AJHL.
Obviously Sakic has some sort of plan. But I am genuinely curious as to what the hell this plan is.
I think Vegas will finish ahead of Colorado this year.
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Don't disagree with a lot of that but don't have a problem with the Makar pick. In a weak draft he is arguably the most dynamic guy with the biggest upside. Although he played against lower competition, those that saw a lot of him seem to think the skills will translate at higher levels.
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