You're probably right that I under value Bennett right now. But I think his future is bright. I'm hoping he signs a cheap "show me" bridge deal. Hence why I think he'll get less AAV than Ferland.
Ferland scored more goals last year, will likely start the season on the first line (barring a signing or trade for a top RW), and brings other intangibles that Bennett doesn't have yet (mainly physicality but he also has a terrific shot). We're all hoping Bennett can be that tough feisty player that he showed flashes of in the 2015 playoffs but he still has lots of development left. I feel Ferland is closer to reaching his potential. He just needs to find some consistency.
If the team believes in Bennett and Ferland in the same way I do, I hope neither get "show me" short term bridges. Bank on their success, and get term at a lower dollar value now, opposed to paying more after the bridge. It will go a long way to help stabilize the cap situation going forward.
You're probably right that I under value Bennett right now. But I think his future is bright. I'm hoping he signs a cheap "show me" bridge deal. Hence why I think he'll get less AAV than Ferland...
Even on a short "show me" bridge contract Bennett is getting a higher AAV than Ferland. Comparables for Ferland are hovering around $2.0 m, whereas Bennett's number is very realistically closer to $2.5 on a one or two year deal.
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If the team believes in Bennett and Ferland in the same way I do, I hope neither get "show me" short term bridges. Bank on their success, and get term at a lower dollar value now, opposed to paying more after the bridge. It will go a long way to help stabilize the cap situation going forward.
Of course this is what the team would prefer to do, but there is no way Bennett is signing a deal for longer than two years without getting a big raise. I think that if the Flames can get him signed for three, then that is a coup, but I would be surprised if Bennett agreed to that, and don't believe for a second that he will opt for a longer deal.
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Bennett more goals, more points, young, similar games played, centre vs. wing, 1st round pick vs 4th round pick.
Ferland actually had more goals, 15-13, points were 26-25 Bennett but Bennett played 5 more games than Ferland (81-76). Draft pedigree is completely irrelevant at this point.
I understand Bennett is younger but let's not pretend he outplayed Ferland last year. Statistically they were a wash (Ferland actually might be a tad better 0.33ppg - 0.32ppg). I could absolutely see Ferland getting more than Bennett. If it weren't for Troy Brouwer, I'd say Bennett was the biggest disappointment of the year.
And please don't take this as me wanting to trade Bennett, I still think he'll be a solid player in the NHL, he just might not be the player most of us had hoped for when we drafted him.
If it weren't for Troy Brouwer, I'd say Bennett was the biggest disappointment of the year.
If it weren't for Brouwer, I think Bennett would've had a much better year. Once he got away from him and centered the Versteeg-Chaisson duo he looked excellent.
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They seem to use comparables in these arbitration cases. The closest comparable I could think of was Kassian, in both production and style, which came in at 3 x 1.95.... I could live with that. Even a 2 year at the same money.
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I could see the sabres walking away from Lehner if he gets too much. This was the old regime pick, and i get the feeling he is a big reason Murray is gone.
In general arbitration is good as it sets a deadline where a contract will be given out that no one is happy with. The NHL designed the process really well. I think it should be expanded to all players after the ELC but maybe with slightly different walk away rules as it prevents the Johnny Gaudreau situation from happening where camp and the start of the season was the only leverage to force a deal to be made.
I could see the sabres walking away from Lehner if he gets too much. This was the old regime pick, and i get the feeling he is a big reason Murray is gone.
Can you walk away if the arbitrator awards what you think is too much? Isn't the contract binding on both parties, causing teams to not make qualifying offers to players who they are worried will be awarded too much in arbitration?
Can you walk away if the arbitrator awards what you think is too much? Isn't the contract binding on both parties, causing teams to not make qualifying offers to players who they are worried will be awarded too much in arbitration?
You can only walk away if it's over a certain threshold (~3.5 million I think).
The team can also pick the term to be 1 or 2 years at the awarded arbitration amount. If the team or player want to sign long term then they have to do it outside of arbitration.
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Can you walk away if the arbitrator awards what you think is too much? Isn't the contract binding on both parties, causing teams to not make qualifying offers to players who they are worried will be awarded too much in arbitration?
For player-elected arbitration, the team can walk away from awards over a certain amount.
At the beginning of this CBA, the walkaway amount was $3.5 million a year. That number is adjusted each year to match the year-over-year change in the average player's salary. I don't know what this year's walkaway amount is, but it's likely somewhere around $4 million.
Teams can't walk away from team-elected arbitration awards. I don't believe any teams filed for arbitration on any players this year.
Teams don't qualify players if they feel he will receive an arbitration award below the walkaway amount, but more than they want to pay. That's why the Flames didn't qualify Chiasson and Colborne.
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