Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

He does not make those decisions. That is not in Gaza.

And despite the argument, that several posters in here have taken, that terrorism is the only thing Israel understands, post Oct 7, the desire of the Israeli public for a two state solution is at an all time low. More people living in Israel will see the settlements as a necessary buffer to militant activity.

Why does it matter if it is the patch of land called Gaza? Israel has shown they can't be trusted, and will keep taking land. That's what matters. You can bring up Hamas all you want, but Israel does themselves no favours with these land grabs. If your neighbour moves the fence and takes a bit of land from their neighbour, do you not also worry they might do the same to you?


And it's sure a convenient outcome that settlements are seen as needed for safety. How convenient a justification.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Ironic with someone with a canada flag as their avatar.

I was born and raised in Canada, and have had the avatar for a lot longer than we have been a joke a country.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yes Azure, you've been hinting at this forever, without saying it. What is this reason you say we will understand when we figure it out?

Perhaps you should go read the history between Egypt and Hamas.

There is a very specific reason Egypt is doubling down on making damn sure they don't allow anyone in.

And it has nothing to do with Israel.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Um Netanyahu is in power. Is there someone actually more extreme than Genocidal Bibi?

Was the tik tok comment section getting a little boring so you made your way here?

You have a pretty low level understanding of this conflict and the region in general. Assad spent the last decade butchering and gassing his own people, but maybe with the amount of Russian propaganda you have consumed you are deluded to think Netanyahu is worse.

Still think Canada has killed more civilians than Russia?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

You mean the atmosphere in Gaza being that it’s inhospitable to human life what with the bombs and the gunfire and the starvation and the destruction of critical infrastructure?

Yes, that is what happens when billions from countries all over the world gets funnelled into Gaza to support an organization that exists solely to destroy Israel.

Perhaps we should ask all those countries, especially our own, why they continue funding a terrorist organization?

I mean everyone wants to cut off weapons to Israel, but hearing crickets when it comes to not funding UNRWA anymore. Fuzz and gang? Care to answer?

Oh right.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Perhaps you should go read the history between Egypt and Hamas.

There is a very specific reason Egypt is doubling down on making damn sure they don't allow anyone in.

And it has nothing to do with Israel.

Care to share with the rest of the class?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

I am aware of how a minority government works.

But you are telling me we shouldn’t listen to the minister of defense on issues of national defense. That’s absurd

You also would have me believe that giving cabinet positions does not affect the policies of the government and that the people in cabinet do not represent the aims of the government.

Who in the current cabinet represent the Israeli government?

No, its like saying the Green Party represents the views of Canadians because they hold a seat in the HoC.

They represent the views of some, but are largely irrelevant in the general sense of our government.

Just like most of the extremist members of the Israeli Government.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why does it matter if it is the patch of land called Gaza? Israel has shown they can't be trusted, and will keep taking land. That's what matters. You can bring up Hamas all you want, but Israel does themselves no favours with these land grabs. If your neighbour moves the fence and takes a bit of land from their neighbour, do you not also worry they might do the same to you?


And it's sure a convenient outcome that settlements are seen as needed for safety. How convenient a justification.

Israel has stated over and over again that they do not intend to give back 100% of the West Bank and any portion they do give back will have to come via negotiation. The policy has been land for peace. How is that an issue of trust?

As far as settlements go, the views of them in the Israeli government vary considerably. There are definitely pro-settlement groups. Others view them as a necessary evil, providing a buffer. Others are against them entirely.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Was the tik tok comment section getting a little boring so you made your way here?

You have a pretty low level understanding of this conflict and the region in general. Assad spent the last decade butchering and gassing his own people, but maybe with the amount of Russian propaganda you have consumed you are deluded to think Netanyahu is worse.

Still think Canada has killed more civilians than Russia?

Posts like this need to be reported. I have never once supported Russia or Putin so this bold faced lie is just more deflection from you.

What does Assad butchering his own people have to do with anything? Honestly confused with your point.

Someone mentioned israeli extremists weren't elected....Netanyahu is an extremist. If there is more extreme than Netanyahu in Israel then that is actually scary.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Posts like this need to be reported. I have never once supported Russia or Putin so this bold faced lie is just more deflection from you.

What does Assad butchering his own people have to do with anything? Honestly confused with your point.

Someone mentioned israeli extremists weren't elected....Netanyahu is an extremist. If there is more extreme than Netanyahu in Israel then that is actually scary.

You said “whose worse than Netanyahu”, no context behind it. Just projecting

You also claimed in another thread Canada has killed more civilians than Russia.

You are a troll with a childlike understanding of this conflict and have used this thread to spread historical misinformation. I have no more interest in communicating with you but your posts are reminiscent of someone who has spent a lot of time indulging in propaganda.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

I mean everyone wants to cut off weapons to Israel, but hearing crickets when it comes to not funding UNRWA anymore. Fuzz and gang? Care to answer?

Oh right.

I assume Fuzz won’t have to answer as blankal, Beninho, and “gang” will happily use this opportunity to explain to Azure that US intelligence revealed the claims against the UNRWA to be largely unfounded and without merit and suspect due to Israel’s own bias.

Aaaany time guys. Azure has me on “ignore” so he’ll pretend he never saw this. Need the champions of honesty to jump in here.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Azure

No, its like saying the Green Party represents the views of Canadians because they hold a seat in the HoC.

They represent the views of some, but are largely irrelevant in the general sense of our government.

Just like most of the extremist members of the Israeli Government.

Even then, it's a bit of a poor analogy. Canada has the most bland political spectrum in the world. If you look at far left/right parties in any other country they out of control. For example, in Greece you have actual neo-nazi party and the "Communist Party of Greece" both winning seats.

Under the current state of Israeli politics you have to form a coalition, with the entirety of the left or right, and then add in independents, Arab parties, etc...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

Israel has stated over and over again that they do not intend to give back 100% of the West Bank and any portion they do give back will have to come via negotiation. The policy has been land for peace. How is that an issue of trust?

As far as settlements go, the views of them in the Israeli government vary considerably. There are definitely pro-settlement groups. Others view them as a necessary evil, providing a buffer. Others are against them entirely.

Because it isn't backed by any internationally acceptable rationale or have legal standing. Just because they say "this is what we are doing" doesn't make it right. So how do you trust in dealing with a country who just makes their own rules unilaterally?


There is a reason peace has been so hard to get, and it isn't 100% on the Palestinians, Hamas, or any other Arab. Recognition of that will be required before anything ever changes. Which means it is going to be a long time.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You said “whose worse than Netanyahu”, no context behind it. Just projecting

You also claimed in another thread Canada has killed more civilians than Russia.

You are a troll with a childlike understanding of this conflict and have used this thread to spread historical misinformation. I have no more interest in communicating with you but your posts are reminiscent of someone who has spent a lot of time indulging in propaganda.

There was context if you bothered reading the quote that was literally over my post that read

Originally Posted by blankall

Not the same at all. If the Israelis had voted an extremist party as the number one party, I would agree.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Even then, it's a bit of a poor analogy. Canada has the most bland political spectrum in the world. If you look at far left/right parties in any other country they out of control. For example, in Greece you have actual neo-nazi party and the "Communist Party of Greece" both winning seats.

Under the current state of Israeli politics you have to form a coalition, with the entirety of the left or right, and then add in independents, Arab parties, etc...

It’s kind of incredible that neither of you can figure out the difference between someone just getting elected and someone given a role in cabinet.

You live in Canada. This should not be difficult.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Imagine Calgary had areas where only the chosen ones were allowed to buy homes, live in, had access to healthcare, allowed to work in and then Gondek comes in and forces you out of your home so she can sell to other chosen ones over seas and you have no choice but to leave your home and watch other families who don't even know the directions to the grocery store around the block and somehow people support that. Imagine that.

That's literally what is happening and funny thing is that it happens in the name of religion. And the biggest supporters of Israel are christian politicians. The same christians who get spat on by Israelis as they walk by.

Reeks of propaganda and historical revisionism

Read a textbook, not tik tok

[GGG]

Originally Posted by blankall

Firstly he's the Minister of National security.

That minister is in charge of the internal police and prison systems. Literally no say in external affairs and settlements. It's a far less influential position than the Minister of defence.

His true power lies in the ability to collapse the government. Hence why Israel has had 5 elections since 2019, and is likely having another as soon the state of emergency is over.

My mistake, but he is in charge of the boarder guard and a permanent member of the security cabinet. This is not a fringe position in government.

But can you give me a list of people in the Israeli government who speak for the Israeli government if not the people who prop the government up in power.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

No, its like saying the Green Party represents the views of Canadians because they hold a seat in the HoC.

They represent the views of some, but are largely irrelevant in the general sense of our government.

Just like most of the extremist members of the Israeli Government.

No it isn’t. It would be like Jagmeet given a seat in cabinet in exchange for propping up the government. And then trying to say Jagmeet doesn’t speak for the government. Just because his position is extreme having the ability to topple a government allows you to exert pressure.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Reeks of propaganda and historical revisionism

Read a textbook, not tik tok

Are you denying that Israel is taking more land and homes from the West Bank? Don't need to read a textbook it is literally happening right now.

They just held a land sale in Canada (no muslims allowed) for stolen land in the west bank. This was weeks ago in Canada. No history textbook required.


Also not sure if you were referring to the Israelis spitting on christians but here it is.

https://youtu.be/7TwEQX6zwUI?si=MOVgFhPW_7KU5URR

Christian politicans don't realize that a lot of Israelis hate Christians more than they hate muslims.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Probably not until the genocide stops.

I thought you wanted to escape the constant anti-Israel vitriol that is Tik-Tok.

Maybe after a read of the article below you will reconsider your disgusting position that the kidnapping, confinement, terrorizing and torture of innocent girls, mothers and grandparents is justified, and maybe, in your opinion, going forward should even be normalized. How many times does it have to be repeated that the war ends immediately upon the release of the hostages, the surrender of Hamas and assurances that terrorists from Gaza will no longer be capable of anything close to a repeat of the events of October 7.

Of course Hamas has no interest in that. Read their Charter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/w...l-assault.html