Yeah, I guess that's the other part that I found noteworthy (and that some people on Twitter were not happy about). I can understand being green and learning from the experience of the pilot and even the first season or two, but it seems like they just kind of put it on autopilot to an extent, and then were caught off guard around Seasons 5-6.
This opinion would make sense if the best seasons weren't the ones that has the books to use as guardrails. Once they didn't have them it got significantly worse.
This is simple, they wanted out, they wanted to get to the next big paycheck so they rushed it. We don't really need to delve deeper into their psyche than that.
Fair point in the first paragraph but you are assuming a lot in the second, and I can't necessarily agree with that.
I still say though, the books being used as guardrails for the writing in the first few seasons is an overstatement. At best, the books served as pylons, and they constantly strayed from the narrative of the books to create a far more compelling story. The books were the basis for main characters, some major plot points, and some structure of the universe. But really the show barely resembles the books, and that's a good thing because it would be nearly unwatchable if it was faithful to the books.
I'm not going to pretend that I loved the last two seasons, and yes, not having source material may have hurt the writing, but I still give them lots of credit for some of the best TV writing and world building ever.
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I started reading GOT when the first book came out, and before that enjoyed quite a few of RR's stories. There has always been a depth, even to his short stories (highly recommend Dreamscapes for bedtime) that invite discussion and further thought after reading.
I've literally waited years, if not decades at this point, for there to be enough interest in Martin's work to have such a vast dis-ciphering of his books, and now this series.
But I've just been asked to write a thirty page fanfic about 3-CPO, so I'm out!
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Anyone read Black Leopard, Red Wolf by Marlon James? It is the first book in a trilogy called Dark Star, and is being promoted as a kind of African Game of Thrones.
For two years, he researched African history and mythology, constructing the foundation for a fantastical vision of the continent that would invert the monolithic “Africa” invented by the West. He drew on oral epics, like the Epic of Sundiata, which some people believe was the basis for “The Lion King,” though the filmmakers have called it an “original story,” while admitting some parallels with Shakespeare. (“I felt like these stories had been stolen from me,” James said at Comic Con. “People say that ‘The Lion King’ is based on ‘Hamlet.’ Please.”) He read legendary monster tales, like those about the Inkanyamba, a South African serpent with a horse’s head, who causes summer storms. He made notes on the grammar of African languages, to inflect the book’s prose. He briefly considered doing a historical series, an “Ethiopian ‘Wolf Hall,’ ” but then reverted to his dream of writing fantasy that honored the African diaspora. He wanted to build a “vast playground of myth and history and legend that other people can draw from, a pool that’s as rich as Viking or Celtic lore,” he said.
He sketched his new world’s geography. (The maps that appear in the book are his work.) He made a list of characters that kept getting longer. There would be a quest to find a boy, he decided, and a motley group of seekers: a Moon Witch, a mournful giant, a perceptive buffalo. He wondered if the Aesi—a man with “skin like tar, hair red, when you see him you hear the flutter of black wings”—ought to narrate the story. Then he started thinking about a character called Tracker, a hunter with a nose that can suss out the details of a man’s life in an instant—the spices in his kitchen, the last time he washed—and track a woman to another city with just a whiff of her shirt. Tracker would be sullen and resentful, reserving his gentleness for a group of deformed children, called mingi, whom he meets through an “anti-witch” called the Sangoma.
Michael B. Jordan purchased the rights to produce a film adaptation of the novel in February 2019. [wikipedia]
HBO has reportedly scrapped a prequel series that had been expected expand the world of Game of Thrones.
A pilot episode of the sprawling, untitled series was shot in June, but the the project will not be advancing, according to reports in industry outlets Deadline, Variety and Hollywood Reporter on Tuesday.
The prequel is set 300 years before the events of the flagship series that tracks the beginnings and the end of House Targaryen. Emilia Clarke earned four Emmy nominations for her role as fan-favorite Daenerys Targaryen. Martin and Condal will pen the script for the drama, which is based on Martin's book Fire & Blood. Miguel Sapochnik, who earned an Emmy for helming "The Battle of the Bastards" episode, will direct the pilot and additional episodes. Vince Gerardis will also exec produce. Sapochnik and Condal will serve as co-showrunners. House of the Dragon will be the first project to stem from a new overall deal that Sapochnik has signed with HBO, in which he'll develop and produce content for both HBO and HBO Max.
“The Game of Thrones universe is so rich with stories,” says HBO programming president Casey Bloys said. “We look forward to exploring the origins of House Targaryen and the earlier days of Westeros along with Miguel, Ryan and George.”
The project that was cancelled was supposed to be set thousands of years prior to GoT and would have dealt with Westeros before the days of the Wall or the arrival of the Targaryens and their dragons.
Dragons > No dragons
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So just, continue the series? Is there any appetite for that whatsoever?
I don't think it would be that interesting, the Dragons are gone, the Targaryn's are gone. The good villains are gone, there's a unemotional dufus on the throne who can see the future.
Where would they go with it?
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The project that was cancelled was supposed to be set thousands of years prior to GoT and would have dealt with Westeros before the days of the Wall or the arrival of the Targaryens and their dragons.
It was supposed to deal with the first long night, when the white walkers originally invaded. Would have been pretty anticlimactic though when you know how easily they were defeated in the 2nd long night, which wasn't even a full regular night
I don't think it would be that interesting, the Dragons are gone, the Targaryn's are gone. The good villains are gone, there's a unemotional dufus on the throne who can see the future.
Yeah, I don't disagree that's why I insinuated the interest in a sequel isn't there.
Thinking about it though, wasn't the first few seasons, sans dragons, limited fantasy tropes far more interesting than when it went head first into them? The dragons and the Targaryns barely existed in the first season and when they did it was far and away the least interesting plot line. Sure a doofus is on the throne but a doofus was on the throne when the series started too.
It'll never happen but the idea that the world of game of thrones is spoiled because D&D couldn't write an ending is wrong IMO.
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I would definitely prefer a first men, children of the forest, birth of the white walkers, creation of the wall series.
By far the biggest disappointment in the series was the lack of payoff for the White Walkers. I would watch a children of the forest/first men war series, just so they would have the opportunity to retcon why the Night King allowed himself to die, and ordered his most powerful generals to sit the last battle out.
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