[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Do the Flames win their first playoff series in 11 years the Canucks without Ferland playing like he did ??

Possibly not. But they sure as hell don't win without Brodie playing as well as he did.

[nik-]

Ok, but do the Flames win that first series if they're not wearing skates?

Think about it.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The part that is unfortunate is that the Flames season becomes a casualty the longer this plays out.

That's fine - no chance to win this season anyhow. Need to be willing to sacrifice "this" season for the seasons when your "window" is open and you actually need that extra million to bring in a depth defenseman or the PK specialist or whatever...

[direwolf]

Came in here hoping for some news. Leaving disappointed as usual. See y'all tomorrow.

[polak]

Originally Posted by nik-

Ok, but do the Flames win that first series if they're not wearing skates?

Think about it.

Isn't that what Vancouver tried? Seemed like it at least....

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by polak

A player going to UFA means that they're not invested in the team they're currently on long term. Hard to compare. If the Flames have no interest in trying to keep Johnny after his UFA years then yeah, go nuts, force him to take whatever offer you want. Obviously I don't think that's the case so relationship management is just as important as cap management here.

Relationship management??!!

Is the buyout list a list of failed relationships?

Please provide a list of under-performing players who stand up and say they were overpaid and will retire and/or go play in Europe so don't bother buying me out.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The part that is unfortunate is that the Flames season becomes a casualty the longer this plays out. This in itself could very likely put pressure on BT to cave in.

Likewise if they start the year red hot, it puts pressure on Gaudreau that they can be fine without him, so they don't need to cave at all. Sitting out a whole season is of no benefit to Gaudreau. It's a game of chicken to a degree, but the thing here is Trivelling is an experienced negotiator, he's not some rookie on his first go round. Just gotta trust that he knows what he's doing, and he's got a nice track record to go on there.

[SebC]

If you buy goodwill with cap dollars, you run the risk of becoming a losing team, which reduces goodwill. Net goodwill can go, up, down, or even out, but the team is at a disadvantage.

Flames should be trying to get the best deal possible, not throwing money away. And really, if the player wants to win, it's mutually beneficial to not overspend.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by polak

A player going to UFA means that they're not invested in the team they're currently on long term. Hard to compare. If the Flames have no interest in trying to keep Johnny after his UFA years then yeah, go nuts, force him to take whatever offer you want. Obviously I don't think that's the case so relationship management is just as important as cap management here.

I don't agree at all. I think at the heart of it that every player—like every person—is self-interested. Every player who goes to market is doing the same thing: maximizing his value, which is the combination of variously weighted factors that include dollar value, term, location, roster and team potential, etc., but it is ALWAYS entirely about what a player believes is best for him. Those who make the decision to "invest" with their current team are not really doing anything different.

[Strange Brew]

There are some pretty smart posters being baited into debating who the Flames MVP was in a year they won a playoff series or who team NA's MVPwas in an international tournament.

No sure how any of that is very relevant.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There are some pretty smart posters being baited into debating who the Flames MVP was in a year they won a playoff series or who team NA's MVPwas in an international tournament.

No sure how any of that is very relevant.

Perhaps G-time is a master...

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There are some pretty smart posters being baited into debating who the Flames MVP was in a year they won a playoff series or who team NA's MVPwas in an international tournament.

No sure how any of that is very relevant.

In the grand scheme of things, is hockey relevant?

Just shhhh and let people bitch and moan about whatever their little hearts desire.

[Frequitude]

Just bored and countering Gaudreauvertime's hyperbole because there's nothing else to do...

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Perhaps G-time is a master...

Being a troll on Calgarypuck is like shooting fish in a barrel. So many posters on here can't resist. Moths to a flame.

I honestly don't get it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There are some pretty smart posters being baited into debating who the Flames MVP was in a year they won a playoff series or who team NA's MVPwas in an international tournament.

No sure how any of that is very relevant.

Inflation

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Being a troll on Calgarypuck is like shooting fish in a barrel. So many posters on here can't resist. Moths to a flame.

I honestly don't get it.

It's the off season. There is really nothing else to do and it is either that or work.

[topfiverecords]

Nothing that comes after "Mike Johnson said" is ever of any value.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Do the Flames win their first playoff series in 11 years the Canucks without Ferland playing like he did ?? He made every Flame Player better and every Canuck player worse.

Ferland was matched up to Luca Sbisa, and the corpse of Kevin Bieksa. If Desjardins had a brain, he would have shortened his defense to just the top 4 like every decent playoff coach does when his bottom pairing is getting exploited. That would have taken Ferland out of the series as he wasn't overly effective against Tanev-Edler (he had some quality checks on Edler but nothing of series-altering proportions) or Hamhuis-Weber.

Brodie on the other hand was playing the toughest matchup minutes on the Flames against the other team's top forwards, while dragging around Deryk Engelland who had no business playing top 4 much less top pair, and was still generating some of the most importance chances that sparked important goals and momentum swings.

Gaudreau and his linemates were actually shut down by the Edler-Tanev pairing until game 6, where desperation at home down 3-0 kicked in, and even then one of their points was an empty-netter. We won that series off the back of Brodie, Hiller, and depth scoring contributions from guys like Russell, Bennett, Jones.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

What's your process for calculating the UFA premium?

You also would want to adjust for inflation if you are trying to be objective.

I don't think you notice the loaded language that you throw out.

"if you are trying to be objective"

that implies that if I don't include inflation I'm not being objective, or even worse, if I don't agree with how you would do it, I'm not being objective.

Inflation doesn't exist in a cap world. It can go up or down. The amount of cap that teams feel should be allocated to one player can go up or down. The value of player X on team Y versus player Z on team AA can be either greater or less than the other. It's not as simple as inflation, nor will it ever be. The exchange rate in Canada is many points worse than when Tarasenko signed his contract which in real NHL dollars actually translates to DE-flation for the NHL and revenue collection, something that was being bandied about all summer.

My simple formula though (SUBJECTIVE AS HELL) is 4x6 + 4x9 = 7.5 AAV. Gaudreau would be 7.125 under that HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE view point.

[Notdoneyet]

No one in their right mind can ever say Johnny hockey is not one of the top
Ten forwards in the NHL and certainly no one can say he is not the best player on the flames.

I always laugh at the argument that if player A gets 8 million then you have to give other players the same contract.

No that's not how it works. You only have to give them the same contract if they are as good as the other guy. And wouldn't that be a good thing If Reinhart
Or matthew turned out as good as JG

I mean if you had to pay JG. MT or SM 8 million each it would be based on their play and you would be having a cup parade and spending all that playoff revenue.

Reward him for his great play, don't drive a wedge between him and management. If anyone deserves 8 million whether he has negotiating power or not it's Johnny hockey