[Rumour] Bruins having contract problems with Pastrnak

[Nage Waza]

I think we may have to look at Backlund in the deal, where his value is super high right now. Bennett's potential doesn't really factor in when trading for a player who is great right now.

We have to trade talent to get talent. If this kid is for real, we have to be realistic with what we trade for him. I could see Bennett with some of our non NHLers, but they have to be major prospects. Fifth round picks certainly don't cut it.

I don't want to see Backlund go, he offers a lot more than just points.

[MissTeeks]

Boston writer:

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/j...david-pastrnak

But let’s be honest here.

The Bruins aren’t going to trade David Pastrnak. Period. They need his speed, they need his goal-scoring ability, and they need his youthful zest for the game to sell their product in Boston. There's no other player coming through the organization who can match the dynamic right winger's skill set, and he's in high demand across the league because there aren’t many like him.

The B’s would be on the losing end of any Pastrnak trade because they’d be giving up the best player in the deal. Remember Tyler Seguin? The Bruins would deserve what they get if they make that mistake again.

Boston is still trying to uncover itself from the rubble of trading Seguin for a number of assets that are now gone from the organization. The mere specter of repeating that mistake will have diehard B’s fans marching to Causeway Street with pitchforks, torches and season-ticket refund demands.

Pastrnak still has things to learn in terms of puck management and consistency, and he clearly needs to be better prepared for the way defenses leaned on him late in the season. But we’re talking about a player who scored 34 goals and 70 points in a season before his 21st birthday, and we’re also talking about a player who's done everything the Bruins have asked in terms of improving his game.

There's probably good reason for B’s fans to have gut-wrenching flashbacks to past negotiations with young players gone wrong. Talks with Dougie Hamilton, Phil Kessel and, of course, Seguin were all botched.

But that's not what’s happening right now, despite a little smoke billowing out of the Bruins home offices.

Also, this is also a player that wants to be in Boston and isn't trying to shoot his way out of town, as Kessel and Hamilton clearly did before each of them was traded.

By all accounts the Bruins currently have no appetite for trading Pastrnak, and this first volley of rumors would appear to be more about message-sending in negotiations rather than actually shipping out another elite young hockey player. If the trade stuff goes beyond that, then Don Sweeney, Cam Neely and the rest of the Bruins organization will begin destroying all the goodwill they built up with a pretty solid end kick to their season last year.

[PsYcNeT]

Man they're still assassinating Dougies character at every chance eh?

[Karl]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Man they're still assassinating Dougies character at every chance eh?

Where and how is that article assassinating Dougie's character??

[saXon]

Originally Posted by robaur

I guess you don't watchba lot of Pastrnak so I'll excuse you comparing him to 2 flawed players. Eberle and Kane have the hockey IQ of gummy bears.

Pastrnak is the real deal. If the Bruins trade him away, they would be trading a player capable of putting up Seguin type numbers. He's that good. Think about that.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

No one thought that the year each of those players exploded on the scoresheet.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by saXon

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

No one thought that the year each of those players exploded on the scoresheet.

Evander Kane's best: 57 points in 74 games isn't exactly 70 points in 75 games.

And like another poster said, Eberle had a sky high SH% and well...E=NG.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Love

Dude, Pastrnak just scored 70 points in 75 games as a 20 year old. He's going to be elite for the next decade+.

Pastrnak was second on his line scoring. Playing with a guy who was 7th in Hart voting, AND arguably the best two-way center since Sergei Fedorov. As good as he is he was the third best player on his line... can he repeat that as the best player on his line? With a less elite center? With a LW who isn't 5th in points / 4th in goals?

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pastrnak was second on his line scoring. Playing with a guy who was 7th in Hart voting, AND arguably the best two-way center since Sergei Fedorov. As good as he is he was the third best player on his line... can he repeat that as the best player on his line? With a less elite center? With a LW who isn't 5th in points / 4th in goals?

If you put Pastrnak with Gaudreau and Monahan I think he will continue his 70 point play. He is that good. I am a huge advocate AGAINST trading Sam Bennett, but if he was part of a package for Pastrnak I'm all for it.

[Erick Estrada]

He's looking for too much money based on one good season. Pass as you just know the Bruins would bump the asking price from the Flames just because of how bad the Hamilton trade looked on them.

[Love]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pastrnak was second on his line scoring. Playing with a guy who was 7th in Hart voting, AND arguably the best two-way center since Sergei Fedorov. As good as he is he was the third best player on his line... can he repeat that as the best player on his line? With a less elite center? With a LW who isn't 5th in points / 4th in goals?

Pastrnak has produced everywhere, regardless of line or league since he's been drafted. He ripped the AHL a new one in his draft+1 and then proceeded to score >.5PPG in his 18 & 19 year old NHL seasons.

The thing about Pastrnak is that he's not a player that is dependent on his linemates to produce. He is an elite stickhandler, an elite shooter, has breakneck speed and like Bennett he also plays that chippy game and has a knack for throwing big hits. He was just as much a catalyst of his lines offense as Gaudreau was in 2015 when he too was also second in line socring to Hudler by a margin greater than 10 points.

[Jacks]

[The Fonz]

I think I'd prefer to just try Bennett on Johnny's & Monahan's wing, instead of trading him for a softer, more expensive Pastrnak to fill that spot.

Granted, I've only seen Pastrnak play a few times, but I feel like if Bennett were given the same opportunity, he'd be viewed just as highly.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I think I'd prefer to just try Bennett on Johnny's & Monahan's wing, instead of trading him for a softer, more expensive Pastrnak to fill that spot.

Granted, I've only seen Pastrnak play a few times, but I feel like if Bennett were given the same opportunity, he'd be viewed just as highly.

If this is true then Flames management sucks. "We think Bennett could be a 70 point player right now but we would rather him play on the 3rd line with a bunch of scrubs and get 30 points a season...because development.." If you think a player can get 70 points a season with the right players then you put him with those players. I think you guys overrate Bennett at this point. He has yet to show much. Sure he has potential, but you aren't going to get a top line player who is 20 years old.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

If this is true then Flames management sucks. "We think Bennett could be a 70 point player right now but we would rather him play on the 3rd line with a bunch of scrubs and get 30 points a season...because development.." If you think a player can get 70 points a season with the right players then you put him with those players. I think you guys overrate Bennett at this point. He has yet to show much. Sure he has potential, but you aren't going to get a top line player who is 20 years old.

Who's overrating him? He's a 21 year old playing the most difficult position in the sport for a young player. Mark Scheifele didn't break through until he was 23 and nobody saw an 80 point season in his near future when he was 21. When Monahan came into the league the Flames had zero center depth so he could immediately be deployed in the top 6 but things are different now as Bennett isn't simply going to jump ahead of Monahan and Backlund at the age of 21. Remember this was the one pull-up guy that was always going to take some time to develop but fans all of a sudden want to write him off because he's in fact taking time as advertised?

Pastrnak had a great season for sure but he also was deployed in a very ideal situation. With Gaudreau the Flames offense centers around him as he's the focal point and the guy making his line mates look better but I don't think you can say the same of Pastrnak right now as he's a benefactor. Ideally you would like to see at least two seasons of this type of play before handing out a long term $7 million deal and I expect this is why the Bruins are having a hard time here and I don't blame them really.

[djsFlames]

Stajan, Brouwer, beer.

[ZedMan]

Originally Posted by Karl

Where and how is that article assassinating Dougie's character??

Pretty sure PsYcNeT is talking about this:

Also, this is also a player that wants to be in Boston and isn't trying to shoot his way out of town, as Kessel and Hamilton clearly did before each of them was traded.

[Enoch Root]

Pastrnak obviously fills our biggest hole. And even though I don't like trading Cs for wingers, and I think Bennett is going to be a star, I would do a deal with Bennett and Fox (and a salary equalizer).

However, the one big problem here is Pastrnak's contract demands. The Flames managed to keep Johnny to $6.75M and have no one on the payroll at $7M. If Pastrnak were signed for something higher, it could cause serious disruption, and undo everything Treliving has accomplished to date.

Very dangerous, and I wouldn't pull the trigger unless I had a deal in place with Pastrnak first.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Here's something to discuss: would or could a deal go down involving Gordano for Pastrnak?

Jesus Christ.

Discussion enough for you?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Pasta is my fav player not on the Flames, actually Burns is. Pasta is second. The kid is a very, very good hockey player. If you get him for Bennett you are laughing. Pasta today is what every one dreams Bennett becomes. Fast, High Skill, Grit, and a high motor. Pasta and Gaudreau on a line together would be a thing of beauty.

[SebC]

Re: Bennett vs. Pastrnak

Originally Posted by New Era

You just can't keep trading young cost controlled players for big salaries. It just doesn't work if you want to be competitive long term.

21-year old RFA coming off his ELC vs. 21-year old RFA coming off his ELC

Both are young and cost-controlled. One is just anticipated to be more expensive because he's better. Heck, the value of the discout you get on an RFA should increase as the player's value increases because the value of the discout should be the value of the draft picks required to make an offer sheet.

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