03-01-2024, 11:30 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Yup, I think the sign and trade is extremely difficult and unlikely. I do believe Hanifin's value is still substantial as a rental though (1st and a good prospect, other picks depending on retention or cap dump). That is still a good deal for Calgary.
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03-01-2024, 11:34 AM
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#122
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by konradical
I would take a 1st and Lohrei or Poitras for Hanifin (extended)
rather get that then a bunch of random stuff from Colorado or Tampa
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The problem with this is, Boston really likes Lohrei. Do they think they are THAT much better with Hanifin instead of Lohrei?
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do they just ride the year out, keep their young defenseman and centre, hold on to their pick and simply sign Hanifin in the summer.
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03-01-2024, 11:36 AM
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#123
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
How?
Hanifin gave them a list, just like Tkachuk did.
I'm sure if Boston, Tampa, Florida or another team on his list negotiates the best deal, then Hanifin will sign an 8 year deal.
The issue is that doesn't seem to be happening, the teams can just wait for UFA...which wasn't an option with Tkachuk who was an RFA. They had to pay the price if they wanted him.
If a team not on his list is offering a good deal, but he doesn't want to sign there, it's not really hamstringing the Flames. Tkachuk would have done the same thing.
What really needs to happen is the fear from one of these teams that a division rival can get him if they wait, so they have the pay the price to get him now...but that threat doesn't seem to be working right now.
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Exactly. It was really just a coincidence that Florida was on Tkachuk's list and also had the assets to give up at the time.
It's also an issue of where the market is too vs. then. This is the worst possible time, since they introduced the cap, to take on more cap. Look at the ridiculous moves that went into the Tanev trade to move 1/4 of the remaining cap left on Tanev's $4.5 million expiring contract. It took a third party to accommodate moving a few hundred k. Now were trying to move a re-signed Hanifin with likely 8 years and $8ish million.
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03-01-2024, 11:37 AM
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#124
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Franchise Player
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Marchand is 35 and Coyle 31 having great years. Ullmark sounds like he will be gone after this year.
This could be their last shot for a bit.
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03-01-2024, 11:39 AM
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#125
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by blankall
Exactly. It was really just a coincidence that Florida was on Tkachuk's list and also had the assets to give up at the time.
It's also an issue of where the market is too vs. then. This is the worst possible time, since they introduced the cap, to take on more cap. Look at the ridiculous moves that went into the Tanev trade to move 1/4 of the remaining cap left on Tanev's $4.5 million expiring contract. It took a third party to accommodate moving a few hundred k. Now were trying to move a re-signed Hanifin with likely 8 years and $8ish million.
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And the reason the Flames were able to get a good return for a signed Tkachuk is because the Panthers sent a big chunk of cap back the other way. Hard to see a deal that involves BOS or TB sending significant cap back.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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03-01-2024, 11:40 AM
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#126
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Marchand is 35 and Coyle 31 having great years. Ullmark sounds like he will be gone after this year.
This could be their last shot for a bit.
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I’m 100% confident that ullmark will be traded this off season. He will also get a nice return to either stock pile the prospects or keep the window open.
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03-01-2024, 11:42 AM
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#127
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
I’m 100% confident that ullmark will be traded this off season. He will also get a nice return to either stock pile the prospects or keep the window open.
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Recoup what they give up for Hanifin from trading Ullmark.
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03-01-2024, 11:47 AM
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#128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
And the reason the Flames were able to get a good return for a signed Tkachuk is because the Panthers sent a big chunk of cap back the other way. Hard to see a deal that involves BOS or TB sending significant cap back.
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If it's Boston I think the Bruins would try to send Forbort ($3M) back the Flames way and that would work if you retain 50% on Hanifin.
Bruins actually have a fair bit of cap space next year with Debrusk, Grzelcyk, Forbort all expiring, and $4.5M of the bonus overages coming off the cap. Plus the cap going up by $4-5M likely.
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03-01-2024, 11:52 AM
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#129
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
If it's Boston I think the Bruins would try to send Forbort ($3M) back the Flames way and that would work if you retain 50% on Hanifin.
Bruins actually have a fair bit of cap space next year with Debrusk, Grzelcyk, Forbort all expiring, and $4.5M of the bonus overages coming off the cap. Plus the cap going up by $4-5M likely.
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Forbort is interesting in that he was one of those 'we did something' trade deadline acquisitions for Calgary back in the day and was the 6th defenseman. Now he's making $3m a year.
Last edited by PeteMoss; 03-01-2024 at 11:55 AM.
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03-01-2024, 01:14 PM
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#130
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Marchand is 35 and Coyle 31 having great years. Ullmark sounds like he will be gone after this year.
This could be their last shot for a bit.
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This has been said about the Bruins every year since their last cup win. Yet year after year, there they are among the best in the East.
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03-01-2024, 01:25 PM
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#131
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
And the reason the Flames were able to get a good return for a signed Tkachuk is because the Panthers sent a big chunk of cap back the other way. Hard to see a deal that involves BOS or TB sending significant cap back.
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They sent back two players who totaled 1x$9.15M and had a ton of value at that amount and term.
Treliving just chose not to take advantage of it.
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03-01-2024, 01:25 PM
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#132
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Forbort is interesting in that he was one of those 'we did something' trade deadline acquisitions for Calgary back in the day and was the 6th defenseman. Now he's making $3m a year.
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He recently commented in an Athletic article about the trade deadline that he felt like some random when he was on the Flames. Never really settled in. Being traded during Covid and playing in the bubble played a big part in that.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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03-01-2024, 01:31 PM
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#133
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by activeStick
This has been said about the Bruins every year since their last cup win. Yet year after year, there they are among the best in the East.
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Marchand 35
Pastrnak 27
Lindholm 30
McAvoy 26
Swayman 25
Other than Marchand, the core is still in its prime. Pastrnak is a legit superstar, and Lindholm-McAvoy-Swayman is as a good a top 2 D + goalie trio as you’ll find in the NHL.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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03-01-2024, 01:34 PM
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#134
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by All In Good Time
The problem with this is, Boston really likes Lohrei. Do they think they are THAT much better with Hanifin instead of Lohrei?
or
do they just ride the year out, keep their young defenseman and centre, hold on to their pick and simply sign Hanifin in the summer.
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In that case, it benefits the Flames if Brisson is telling teams that Hanifin will only re-sign with Florida. Or some other team not named Boston.
ETA: If Boston still wants him, even as a rental, they'll have to up their offer.
Last edited by D as in David; 03-01-2024 at 01:36 PM.
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