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Old 08-19-2016, 02:36 PM   #1
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I think we can probably kill the 2015 election thread and start anew. I swore I already created this thread once but was too lazy to do a search. Anyways, here's an article from notorious right-wing rag, HuffPost, that posits the Trudeau we're presented with through social media against Trudeau the Prime Minister.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/james-d..._11594200.html

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It's been 10 months, and Liberal voters are still having a difficult time seeing past the glossy veneer slathered on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. They have yet to acknowledge that their aspirational leader is anything other than the exact antithesis to their ideological enemy, Stephen Harper.

If you try talking about tough issues, issues that run counter to his best-guy-ever image, you are met with a list of rebuttals completely absolving Trudeau, and then it's just a quick pivot to the ever popular anti-Harper talking points. It never fails. Ever.

The Saudi arms deal? Harper did it. But couldn't Trudeau have stopped the deal? Sure, but then the Saudis might sue us for not building the weapons they use against civilian populations. Duh. Also, it's all Harper's fault.

The latest reinvention is also about weapons, only this time it will be more difficult to square with the heavily promoted idea that Canada is back to its peacekeeping roots. Canada is now the second biggest arms dealer when it comes to supplying that peaceful oasis known as the Middle East with high-grade weaponry. That's right, folks, our uber-progressive prime minister, known for his feminist bona fides and yoga poses, now leads a country where arms manufacturers thrive more than ever before.

But a pattern has emerged since last October, and it includes a prime minister who uses the photo op to distract the public from the more conservative facets of his party's agenda.

Think about it. Most non-conservatives I know would rightfully rail against any conservative prime minister for a number of items on the Trudeau action plan. Imagine Prime Minister Jason Kenney ushering in the era of Middle East weapons distribution. Or how about Prime Minster Peter McKay quietly firing dozens of environmental scientists? Or let's imagine Prime Minister Tim Hudak refusing to speak directly on the draconian measures in Bill C-51.

When was the last time you heard anyone in the government talk about pipelines, arms deals, fired scientists, criminal records for pot possession, Bill C-51, the Trans-Pacific Partnership or any of the other big-ticket issues? Now, think of how easy is it to recall Trudeau marching in a parade, jogging with a world leader, joking with Obama, photobombing a wedding or the litany of other non-substantive moments in his first year as leader.

The contrast between Photo-op Justin and Policy Trudeau is stark, and there does not seem to be a shift in strategy coming out of the PMO.

The media, meanwhile, is complicit, if not galvanized by the difference in styles between Harper and Trudeau. They seem to be playing along, willful dance partners in a communications tango, singing from the PMO songbook by covering Trudeau as if he were a rock star and not a world leader.

After a decade of zero access to the prime minister's office, members of the press seem just happy to be there, forgetting their role as an institution whose existence is to call truth to power, not publish photos that will garner the most clicks.

This calculation is duplicitous; it showcases an accessible leader but one with little time to get into the specifics of the policies that run counter to Trudeau's reputation of a real progressive. Keep giving the media the casual, approachable Trudeau, but keep the centre-right material in the vault.
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Old 08-19-2016, 02:43 PM   #2
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I mean, he's not wrong.
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Old 08-19-2016, 03:09 PM   #3
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No he's not and it was something I often thought leading up to the election. The Liberals were always going to rule more centre-right than centre-left. It was right in their platform. They just did a great job of hiding it behind "progressive" social policies and a well-orchestrated social media blitz.
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Old 08-19-2016, 03:16 PM   #4
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This is good news for Alberta and Pipelines. The Center Right Liberals have always on balance been good for Canada. The only move of his id really criticize is the Saudi arms deal in exchange for a few hundred jobs. Otherwise, and we'll see if energy east and trams mountain get built he seems to be effective.
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I'm pretty pleased so far. I'm getting most of what I wanted (done or in progress). Feeling pretty positive about politics in this country right now (Doesn't hurt that the TurdTornado in the states makes everywhere else look much better by comparison).

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Old 08-26-2016, 04:03 PM   #6
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I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but Stephen Harper is stepping down from his role as MP today.
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Old 08-26-2016, 04:34 PM   #7
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While it is encouraging (for me) that the Liberal government seems to have adopted a center right stance, what is more concerning is what the article says about Trudeau's leadership so far - lots of selfies, no substance. Admittedly I am not a member of Justin's fan club, but even beyond partisan preferences I honestly can not think of one single thing he has actually done since taking power other than just showing up to get his picture taken. I guess if we as Canadians are happy with our leaders being vacuous social media mavens then it's great, but personally I expect a lot more from the guy who is supposed to be running the country.
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Old 08-26-2016, 04:38 PM   #8
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While it is encouraging (for me) that the Liberal government seems to have adopted a center right stance, what is more concerning is what the article says about Trudeau's leadership so far - lots of selfies, no substance. Admittedly I am not a member of Justin's fan club, but even beyond partisan preferences I honestly can not think of one single thing he has actually done since taking power other than just showing up to get his picture taken. I guess if we as Canadians are happy with our leaders being vacuous social media mavens then it's great, but personally I expect a lot more from the guy who is supposed to be running the country.
He's much more than a selfie.. he's also the House of Commons bouncer.
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Whatever your thoughts on Trudeau, this is pretty entertaining and Trudeau does very well.

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He's much more than a selfie.. he's also the House of Commons bouncer.
Hahaha oh yes, lets bring that up again.
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While it is encouraging (for me) that the Liberal government seems to have adopted a center right stance, what is more concerning is what the article says about Trudeau's leadership so far - lots of selfies, no substance. Admittedly I am not a member of Justin's fan club, but even beyond partisan preferences I honestly can not think of one single thing he has actually done since taking power other than just showing up to get his picture taken. I guess if we as Canadians are happy with our leaders being vacuous social media mavens then it's great, but personally I expect a lot more from the guy who is supposed to be running the country.
Well so far his party has launched their investigation into missing indigenous women, cut taxes for the "middle class" and raised them for those making over 200k, restored the long form census, tripled their promise of a $10 billion deficit, earmarked money for new reserve infrastructure, sold arms to Saudi Arabia... Country is still in a honeymoon phase and thusly shirtless pictures garner more attention than what has been to date, a failure to deliver on election promises and inaction.
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Hopefully he gets a hold of the entitlement that's starting to creep in with his MP's.

17000 for a photographer, over 3000 to a liberal supporter who provided a limo service to the Minister of health.


I don't have many problems with Trudeau except for the deficit that he's going to run, the child care credit is yet to be seen on whether its well thought out or not.

His climate change targets were basically Harpers, as is the money that he's distributing, so he really hasn't done much except provide sound bites.

His peacekeeping concept is idiotic as well.

It's year 2 and on when he actually has to do work that time will tell
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Yeah I didn't expect the party to keep every promise but tripling their ten billion dollar deficit to thirty billion is a tough pill to swallow.

The rest likely amounts to window dressing for the majority of Canadians. That or they simply don't know what's happening with the liberal party other than JT seemingly battles farmers tan everywhere he goes in public.
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Well so far his party has launched their investigation into missing indigenous women, cut taxes for the "middle class" and raised them for those making over 200k, restored the long form census, tripled their promise of a $10 billion deficit, earmarked money for new reserve infrastructure, sold arms to Saudi Arabia... Country is still in a honeymoon phase and thusly shirtless pictures garner more attention than what has been to date, a failure to deliver on election promises and inaction.
What I'm curious about is when all the promised infrastructure spending is going to start happening. It's not really Keynesian if the country is out of a recession by the time you start spending.

Trudeau to me appears to be a closet conservative much like Paul Martin, though obviously without the financial background.

Hence why he hasn't broke the bank yet. It's all a very strange ploy to look fiscally responsible, which is what many were saying when the budget first came around.

Edit: though I suppose most of the spending was never going to be on infrastructure to begin with, which is the strangest part of all this.
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What I'm curious about is when all the promised infrastructure spending is going to start happening. It's not really Keynesian if the country is out of a recession by the time you start spending.

Trudeau to me appears to be a closet conservative much like Paul Martin, though obviously without the financial background.

Hence why he hasn't broke the bank yet. It's all a very strange ploy to look fiscally responsible, which is what many were saying when the budget first came around.

Edit: though I suppose most of the spending was never going to be on infrastructure to begin with, which is the strangest part of all this.
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What I'm curious about is when all the promised infrastructure spending is going to start happening. It's not really Keynesian if the country is out of a recession by the time you start spending.

Trudeau to me appears to be a closet conservative much like Paul Martin, though obviously without the financial background.

Hence why he hasn't broke the bank yet. It's all a very strange ploy to look fiscally responsible, which is what many were saying when the budget first came around.

Edit: though I suppose most of the spending was never going to be on infrastructure to begin with, which is the strangest part of all this.
The liberals have promised to more than double the amount of federal spending on infrastructure. For projects outside of the reserves I'm not sure where that money will go. The usual all encompassing platitudes of public transit, roads, bridges ect apply.
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He's trying his best, throwing money at everything, to get to deficit to prove that Harper left him a mess but so far they're having trouble. Doesn't matter, the belibers still insist that the budget wasn't balanced. They have tripled their deficit promises from the election so when it comes in at "only" double they will be heralded as great fiscal stewards. Yay we got our country back!!!
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"We will have a balanced budget in four years."

Yeah, I think you nailed it Jacks.
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Canadian economy shrinks in second quarter; biggest drop in 7 years.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadas-ec...-business.html

The disasters are piling up quickly.
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And theres this too

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle31610177/
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