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Old 01-21-2013, 10:49 PM   #21
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:52 PM   #22
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That's shocking that urban areas with vastly more people have higher incidents of gun violence than areas where there are practically no people at all in comparison.
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That's shocking that urban areas with vastly more people have higher incidents of gun violence than areas where there are practically no people at all in comparison.
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There were 2,500 times last year alone when legal gun owners stopped violent crime when confronted with it long before any police assistance.
Guns don't kill people, they are only pieces of metal, people kill people, but people with guns which, if you remember are only inanimate objects, can stop people from killing people. Quite the logic.
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The 2500 is likely highly over stated as they use surveys to assess these numbers.

The other important note is that guns used to commit crimes >>>>> than to prevent. For every robbery prevented by a gun, many more are made with a gun. It just doesn't hold water as a logical defense.
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The 2500 is likely highly over stated as they use surveys to assess these numbers.

The other important note is that guns used to commit crimes >>>>> than to prevent. For every robbery prevented by a gun, many more are made with a gun. It just doesn't hold water as a logical defense.
This is exactly my point, especially with the picture of all the killings since Sandy Hook.
And how many criminals are going to adhere to more stringent gun laws when /if they are enforced ? So logic being, the gun crimes are still going to be committed at the same rate but now there are going to 2500+ more gun crimes when law abiding citizens aren't carrying firearms
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This is exactly my point, especially with the picture of all the killings since Sandy Hook.
And how many criminals are going to adhere to more stringent gun laws when /if they are enforced ? So logic being, the gun crimes are still going to be committed at the same rate but now there are going to 2500+ more gun crimes when law abiding citizens aren't carrying firearms
Straight out of the NRA handbook.
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This is exactly my point, especially with the picture of all the killings since Sandy Hook.
And how many criminals are going to adhere to more stringent gun laws when /if they are enforced ? So logic being, the gun crimes are still going to be committed at the same rate but now there are going to 2500+ more gun crimes when law abiding citizens aren't carrying firearms
If guns are harder to come across, fewer gun crimes will occur. Now of course, with 310 million guns in the country, that's not going to happen overnight, even with a change in laws and or attitudes. But if a system exists where guns are unusual instead of usual, and harder to get hands on, of course gun crimes will go down. Yes some criminals will still be able to circumvent the rules, but you are assuming all criminals have equal and easy access to guns, which simply isn't true in places where there are fewer guns than America. As well, it probably isn't a stretch to assume that some crime is FUELED by easy access to guns. In a system where a gun can easily be stolen from ones parents, ones neighbors, etc. many young people do take these weapons to use for their robberies, or worse, shooting sprees. Would they go ahead with these plans without easy access to guns? Probably not. Limited access to guns does limit gun crimes and crime in general. You can look at any other country to see this.

Unfortunately, as I mentioned, with 310 million guns in the States, it's going to take some time.

As for the addition of crime for people who can't defend themselves, there is no hard evidence to back that up. In fact all studies show that more accidents or mistakes are made by people with guns, than incidents that are prevented.

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This is exactly my point, especially with the picture of all the killings since Sandy Hook.
And how many criminals are going to adhere to more stringent gun laws when /if they are enforced ? So logic being, the gun crimes are still going to be committed at the same rate but now there are going to 2500+ more gun crimes when law abiding citizens aren't carrying firearms
Sure, and I think about that retarded cop who got all flustered because he couldn't pull a gun on two kids in Calgary asking if he'd been to the Stampede yet. If he had to endure the same thing in the States and did pull his gun, he'd report it as a case of his gun preventing a crime rather than his paranoia nearly causing one.
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This is exactly my point, especially with the picture of all the killings since Sandy Hook.
And how many criminals are going to adhere to more stringent gun laws when /if they are enforced ? So logic being, the gun crimes are still going to be committed at the same rate but now there are going to 2500+ more gun crimes when law abiding citizens aren't carrying firearms
I think you're missing the point though. The fallacy that "as gun controls are enforced they only limit law abiding citizens" doesn't show true in EVERY situation it's been done. Less guns end up on the streets, law abiding citizens can still get their guns. How would any of these laws prevent a law abiding citizen of sound mind from getting a gun? Unless you think crimes are prevented with assault rifle?


And again, that 2500 statistic is likely very wrong
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Straight out of the NRA handbook.
It's my 2nd Bible ... I read and study from it zealously every night after my nightly church revival.

Your responses are tiresome and boring. When are you going to start making fun of me because my opinions and views aren't shaped in the same manner as yours?
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And again, that 2500 statistic is likely very wrong
and all the numbers that you guys have reported are 100% without a doubt right on accurate... call me crazy but probably not.
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It's my 2nd Bible ... I read and study from it zealously every night after my nightly church revival.

Your responses are tiresome and boring. When are you going to start making fun of me because my opinions and views aren't shaped in the same manner as yours?
But yours are influenced by a lot of propaganda and a sick culture. This is a case where an outsider's perspective - particularly one backed by sound logic and accurate statistics, not to mention real-world comparables like other countries with similar cultures to yours but with less gun-nuttiness - is more valuable than your own.

I had to confiscate my son's ball this morning because he was playing with it in the house and was going to break something. I made a new rule - he can keep the ball, but only play with it outside. He threw a small tantrum anyway. I swear in the name of all that's holy that actually happened this morning and it reminded me of the attitude of Americans when faced with taking away their assault rifles.
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Mind you, nickerjones, it's not like Canadians are perfect, either. Just look in the dog attack mega-thread for examples of people not wanting to ban pit bulls - they employ the same arguing tactics as the NRA. If they were raised in America I'm sure they'd be on your side with respect to guns (actually, most of us probably would be).
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Mind you, nickerjones, it's not like Canadians are perfect, either. Just look in the dog attack mega-thread for examples of people not wanting to ban pit bulls - they employ the same arguing tactics as the NRA. If they were raised in America I'm sure they'd be on your side with respect to guns (actually, most of us probably would be).
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Leave it in that thread man.

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Should we just ignore these insane gun deaths? You have a choice to ignore this thread if you don't like it.
This thread would make sense if this was a mass shooting, but apparently any shooting in the US now qualifies. I sometimes get the sense that you guys are more interested in demonizing the US than you are in the actual issues, and this is from someone who is incredibly anti-gun.
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It's my 2nd Bible ... I read and study from it zealously every night after my nightly church revival.

Your responses are tiresome and boring. When are you going to start making fun of me because my opinions and views aren't shaped in the same manner as yours?
When are you going to provide a reasoned and intelligent response to the criticism of your position?
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Sure, and I think about that retarded cop who got all flustered because he couldn't pull a gun on two kids in Calgary asking if he'd been to the Stampede yet. If he had to endure the same thing in the States and did pull his gun, he'd report it as a case of his gun preventing a crime rather than his paranoia nearly causing one.
I've been thinking about this guy recently in light of all the debate going on around guns and gun control. For me, his attitude is at the core of a lot of this non meeting of the minds. There is no middle ground with a guy like him. If he had a gun that day he would have put it to use. I'm not saying he would have shot somebody but...who knows?

I wish a media outlet would track this guy down and ask him if he would have still reacted the same way now. I know the answer I'm sure but I'd love to hear his take on what has been going on in his country.
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