[Trade] Luongo (15% retained salary) traded to Panthers for Jacob Markstrom & Shawn Matthias

[Vinny01]

Going from the best goaltending tandem in the league to having 2 goalies that are very unproven and a couple centres with scouting reports as 2 way players but neither is regarded as a game breaker.

I am impressed that they unloaded the contract but Gillis destroyed their goaltending situation

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by devo22

they made a move that leaves them with the inexperienced goalie tandem in the league. How else would you name it?

bad management

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

This is not a rebuilding trade. It is a Canucks team that took Florida's leftovers just to escape this situation. Markstrom will never be anything special, and Matthias has been nothing short of underwhelming. In fact, the only actual prospect in the deal went Florida's way.

Hahaha okay, you can look at this through Flames-tinted glasses all you like but the idea that Markstrom isn't even a real prospect while a 7th round pick is is fairly hilarious.

Basically, Markstrom is a guy who has all of the physical tools and talent to be a starting goalie in the NHL. He may end up being that, or he may end up busting. It's next to impossible to tell when evaluating goalie prospects. That is the reality of the situation.

[MisterJoji]

Regarding the Oilers vs. Flames vs. Canucks current goaltending situation there has been a lot of ragging on Ramo. He didn't have a great start admittedly, but the last few weeks up until being injured he really seemed to hit his stride. His last 7 games he was 5-1-1 with a .925 SV% and 1.57 GAA. I'd probably take that Ramo over Scrivens (3-4, .940, 2.14) and Lack (1-5-1, .923, 1.85) over the same time period.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Hahaha okay, you can look at this through Flames-tinted glasses all you like but the idea that Markstrom isn't even a real prospect while a 7th round pick is is fairly hilarious.

Basically, Markstrom is a guy who has all of the physical tools and talent to be a starting goalie in the NHL. He may end up being that, or he may end up busting. It's next to impossible to tell when evaluating goalie prospects. That is the reality of the situation.

The reality is the Canucks had two proven goaltenders and now have none. End of story. Nothing more as potential and proven talent are not the same thing. Lots of young goaltenders have the physical tools and talent yet only a few can put it all together in the NHL. Markstrom has shown nothing so far that shows he can be anything other than another young goaltender that couldn't crack the pros.

[BigTuna]

I'm not sure why people think Markstrom can't be a #1 guy.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I wonder if Luongo is the happiest player ever to be dealt from a """playoff contender""" (and I use that phrase quite liberally) to a perennial bottom feeder?

Exactly. This is hardly a step up for poor Lu. The only NHL teams he's played for are the Isles, Vancouver and freakin' Florida.

Garbage franchises, all of them.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Hahaha okay, you can look at this through Flames-tinted glasses all you like

I stopped caring what you had to say right there.

I would also note that you tend to support an old proverb - "wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."

[zamler]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I wonder if Luongo is the happiest player ever to be dealt from a """playoff contender""" (and I use that phrase quite liberally) to a perennial bottom feeder?

His reaction to the trade.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I'm not sure why people think Markstrom can't be a #1 guy.

Probably for the same reasons the Panthers though Markstrom couldn't be a #1 guy. They don't make this trade if they feel he's going to be as good as a 34 year old Luongo.

[jschick88]

For anyone interested. Gillis is up next on Team1040.

http://www.teamradio.ca/

[3rd line Grinder]

Originally Posted by zamler

His reaction to the trade.

have you been saving this for 2 yrs +?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The reality is the Canucks had two proven goaltenders and now have none. End of story. Nothing more as potential and proven talent are not the same thing. Lots of young goaltenders have the physical tools and talent yet only a few can put it all together in the NHL. Markstrom has shown nothing so far that shows he can be anything other than another young goaltender that couldn't crack the pros.

Exactly.

In 9 months, they have gone from one of the top goalie tandems in the league to Lack and Markstrom (and they already had Lack).

What did they get for it? Horvat and a 3rd line C with a career high of 24 pts.

[moon]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I'm not sure why people think Markstrom can't be a #1 guy.

Sure he could be a #1 guy just like many guys could be a #1 guy but he has struggled mightily in his short time in the NHL and has been decent but not great at the AHL level.

He doesn't done a whole lot to show that he will/can be a #1 guy despite having been given a sweetheart situation to take the job in Florida.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I stopped caring what you had to say right there.

I would also note that you tend to support an old proverb - "wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."

So essentially you've stopped bothering to address the subject matter of my posts and have instead resorted to really cheap ad hominem by means of an overused quotation? You are, at this point, humiliating yourself.

Again, the idea that a 7th round pick is a legitimate prospect whereas Markstrom is not a legitimate prospect is completely absurd. There's no way to cast that as a reasonable assessment of the trade. You're being a homer.

[moon]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

So essentially you've stopped bothering to address the subject matter of my posts and have instead resorted to really cheap ad hominem by means of an overused quotation? You are, at this point, humiliating yourself.

Again, the idea that a 7th round pick is a legitimate prospect whereas Markstrom is not a legitimate prospect is completely absurd. There's no way to cast that as a reasonable assessment of the trade. You're being a homer.

The Flames aren't involved how is he being a homer?

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by moon

The Flames aren't involved how is he being a homer?

It's a Canucks trade. It's pretty obvious where the bias lies.

[Enoch Root]

Fla is in a rebuild - and they have an internal budget.

They gave up Markstrom - and another player - to acquire a 34 year old goalie that they had already traded away once, who has a $5.8m cap hit (minus 15%)

Think about that for a while

[The Swedish Flame]

Strombone ‏@strombone11 min Thank you Vancouver for a great 8 years! Really appreciative of all the support especially the last little while. I will miss the LOOO'ing!!

Strombone ‏@strombone11 min
And take good care of my boy Eddie Lack for me. He's a great talent and an even better person!

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Fla is in a rebuild. They gave up Markstrom - and another player - to acquire a 34 year old goalie that they had already traded away once, who has a $5.8m cap hit (minus 15%) Think about that for a while

This is one angle, but they also have new ownership who want to demonstrate their commitment to spending to the cap and putting together a winning roster. This is really a statement by them that they expect to be competitive. I wouldn't blame their fans (both of them lolol insert other old stale jokes) for being excited about the coming years.

If nothing else they get a goalie for 4.5M against the cap whose play is worth way more than that and who will be good for 3-4 years at least. This is a hell of a trade for them if they do want to fill out the roster around their young guys and go for it.