[Trade] Luongo (15% retained salary) traded to Panthers for Jacob Markstrom & Shawn Matthias

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And why do people keep arguing this trade as some kind of rebuild trade for the Nucks? Matthias is a 26 year old bottom 6er.

It's clearly a rebuild trade. As a result, they will be icing a younger team. Hell, it would have been a rebuild trade even if they only got a 2nd round pick back. They've handed the netminding duties to a younger guy in Lack, acquired a goaltending prospect (whether you think he'll pan out or not), and acquired a solid 3C who's still well on the right side of 30.

In exchange they gave up an asset who only has value to an organization that thinks it's going to win anything in the next 3-4 years.

That is the definition of a rebuilding trade.

[Tinordi]

Remains to be seen if the Canucks are in the full rebuild mindset we'll know that by tomorrow but it's not good news for us Flames fans if they've decided to essentially learn from the Flames' mistakes.

[sureLoss]

According to Dale Talon negotiations for this deal started Monday

[PaperBagger'14]

Aside from Luongo clearly wanting out of Vancouver for a while, was there anything forcing Gillis' hand? I just find it hard to believe that Luongo (no matter how disheartened) is worth that return.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by New Era

Just how much potential do a 26 and a 31 year old have? I know you Oiler fans have this potential mantra tattooed on your foreheads, and mention it like a disclaimer with every word uttered about your team, but get real, there is no potential here, except for the two goaltenders to get substantially worse because they are playing on a substantially worse team.

They have the potential to maintain quality play which they have already shown to have done in the NHL for stretches of time (albeit short).

The Flames goalies have not shown even back up quality play in their careers and acquiring goal tending is a big need for the Flames going forward.

[Tinordi]

Interesting that this deal was done in about 36 hours. After what seemed like two years of trying to trade him all of a sudden a deal comes together in a day? Gillis looks really bad through all of this. If that's the case, why not just take your lumps and get hi off the roster and run with Schneider two years ago? Why did you need to bring back value? I know, to save your ego.

[EVERLAST]

I can still remember when I cheered for the Panthers when Roberto was just starting off his career in Florida......glad hes out of there and hope he sees a little success ...enough to put the nuck days behind him

[moon]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Remains to be seen if the Canucks are in the full rebuild mindset we'll know that by tomorrow but it's not good news for us Flames fans if they've decided to essentially learn from the Flames' mistakes.

I think the Sisters will prevent it from being a full rebuild. Can't see them willing to waive their NTC's at this point and tough to see a team that could fit them in salarywise and assetwise.

With them on board the team is likely too good to finish bottom 5 and misses out on getting some very good assets back that would really help with the rebuild.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Remains to be seen if the Canucks are in the full rebuild mindset we'll know that by tomorrow but it's not good news for us Flames fans if they've decided to essentially learn from the Flames' mistakes.

Hah, I doubt it. They're going to do with the Sedins exactly what Calgary did with Iginla: hold on to him until his value has diminished to basically nil, owing to his history with the franchise and importance to the city. If the Sedins are still in Vancouver after next year's deadline you'll know I'm right.

In any event I don't know if it's fruitful to compare the rebuild paths... and hey, no matter what else happens, the Flames' rebuilding strategy could hardly work out worse than the Oilers' has.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

It's clearly a rebuild trade. As a result, they will be icing a younger team. Hell, it would have been a rebuild trade even if they only got a 2nd round pick back. They've handed the netminding duties to a younger guy in Lack, acquired a goaltending prospect (whether you think he'll pan out or not), and acquired a solid 3C who's still well on the right side of 30.

In exchange they gave up an asset who only has value to an organization that thinks it's going to win anything in the next 3-4 years.

That is the definition of a rebuilding trade.

Mattias will be well over the wrong side of 30 by the time the Canucks are ready to win anything.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by Violator

Wonder were Halak is gonna go now

As a Canucks fan I am pissed cause Luongo could give you forty wins,But called it quits during the playoffs and spooked easily.His wife and family never liked Vancouver and preferred Florida so yeah.

You mean the lack of success of the team that produced 11 goals in 7 games in Luongo's last playoff appearances can be chalked up to Luongo calling it quits?

If I was his wife and family, I'd think Vancouver was a pretty ####ty place too given how he was treated.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

They have the potential to maintain quality play which they have already shown to have done in the NHL for stretches of time (albeit short).

The Flames goalies have not shown even back up quality play in their careers and acquiring goal tending is a big need for the Flames going forward.

Flames are in year one of a rebuild...congrats on having slightly better goal tending (maybe) in year 5 or 6 or whatever it is

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The Flames goalies have not shown even back up quality play in their careers and acquiring goal tending is a big need for the Flames going forward.

Our goalies also being bad doesn't make your goalies better.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

They have the potential to maintain quality play which they have already shown to have done in the NHL for stretches of time (albeit short).

The Flames goalies have not shown even back up quality play in their careers and acquiring goal tending is a big need for the Flames going forward.

Maintaining their play is to maintain a level of a back-up and that isn't going to help the Oilers going forward.

Sure the Flames need goaltending going forward but the Oilers need it just as bad in terms of getting a guy that can help them contend.

If all you want is to have a slightly better goaltending tandem than the Flames then congrats but I think most fans/teams would have higher aspirations than that.

[trackercowe]

I wonder if Luongo is the happiest player ever to be dealt from a """playoff contender""" (and I use that phrase quite liberally) to a perennial bottom feeder?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

It's clearly a rebuild trade. As a result, they will be icing a younger team. Hell, it would have been a rebuild trade even if they only got a 2nd round pick back. They've handed the netminding duties to a younger guy in Lack, acquired a goaltending prospect (whether you think he'll pan out or not), and acquired a solid 3C who's still well on the right side of 30.

In exchange they gave up an asset who only has value to an organization that thinks it's going to win anything in the next 3-4 years.

That is the definition of a rebuilding trade.

This is not a rebuilding trade. It is a Canucks team that took Florida's leftovers just to escape this situation. Markstrom will never be anything special, and Matthias has been nothing short of underwhelming. In fact, the only actual prospect in the deal went Florida's way.

[nik-]

Maybe he can steal them some games and pull ahead of us in Project: Tankoff.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by moon

I think the Sisters will prevent it from being a full rebuild. Can't see them willing to waive their NTC's at this point and tough to see a team that could fit them in salarywise and assetwise.

With them on board the team is likely too good to finish bottom 5 and misses out on getting some very good assets back that would really help with the rebuild.

Yeah they might be of the belief that they can pull off the often discussed but rarely executed "re-tool."

But the Sedins are just not good enough to lift that team out of the basement. They're second liners right now and only getting older, slower and more brittle. The Canucks signed them under very different impressions of what they had in their roster, that they were still in the mix of playoff teams.

The Sedins also provide a ready made line for any young offensive winger they draft to develop on, that's a nice consolation prize at least.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by nik-

Maybe he can steal them some games and pull ahead of us in Project: Tankoff.

fingers crossed

[dino7c]

how is trading your starting goalie for a bag of pucks a rebuilding trade? seriously Vancouver making a bad trade shouldn't scare anyone. The Sedins and their 14M contract isn't going anywhere