American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Raekwon]

We should have ran a better man against Lincoln when we had the chance

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It things play out that way then you can argue that Trump will be a success from an American point of view.

A yuge success. Yuuge. Honestly I don't know why these protesters want to live in an America that is not Great Again. Sad.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

We should have ran a better man against Lincoln when we had the chance

Lincoln wouldn't be a republican of today. He'd have been tossed out on his a$$.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

As an aside, do I move my money out of US heavy funds?

I wouldn't, if he gets a favorable new NAFTA, and hammers on China and brings jobs home, you'll probably be more then ok.

If I was looking at investing in the US, right now I would be putting money into manufacturing companies, energy producing companies and especially oil and gas. And probably government heavy industries.

I would definitely not invest in Canadian Manufacturing firms.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

He just spent 16 minutes ripping the 4 former Presidents 10 feet to his right.

But he has very high IQ higher than ours and we all know it. Apparently.

Maybe this refers to now: "May you live in interesting times."

[photon]

Wow the whitehouse.gov website has been scrubbed of anything mentioning climate change. Not unexpected I guess but still a bit jarring.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by photon

For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

If there's a bright side, this should keep all the American activists out of our back yard. They'll be plenty busy at home

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

As an aside, do I move my money out of US heavy funds?

I am moving CAD into USD to take advantage of what could be a much stronger US dollar. Not sure if you are CAD denominated but that is typically good policy anyways for free diversification.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...ation-vs-obama

[Senator Clay Davis]

These aren't crowd estimates per se, but they obviously tell a lot of the tale. In line with Bush 05, way behind Obama in 13 and not even in the same universe as Obama 09.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by photon

Wow the whitehouse.gov website has been scrubbed of anything mentioning climate change. Not unexpected I guess but still a bit jarring.

Its about time, The Whitehouse website should only contain facts not nonsense about fake science.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Also about the dollar, Trump has already said he thinks the USD is too strong. So him trying to tank the USD is just as likely, if not more likely, than it strengthening further. He'll just make a few tweets and send that greenback crashing.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Is there no one guiding him through the minutia of government? This whole pen thing is a mess

[TheyCallMeBruce]

I feel like a new donald trump meme should have its origins on CP.

[photon]

How long until he tweets about the unfair media lying about the size of the crowds?

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Also about the dollar, Trump has already said he thinks the USD is too strong. So him trying to tank the USD is just as likely, if not more likely, than it strengthening further. He'll just make a few tweets and send that greenback crashing.

Stocks I'm more concerned about. I'm waffling back and forth between US Investment funds vs. Asian funds...

Or is the whole system just farked.

[Minnie]

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Maybe I'm missing what you're trying to say here, but isn't gerrymandering more of a house district issue? Isn't it impossible to gerrymander the electoral college since it's drawn along state lines? (Strongly agree with your 'people have a right to be pissed' perspective, though.)

The President is really irrelevant in many of the issues discussed. The power is in congress. The nutballs in congress drive budgets and law. This is where people should be pissed. The President's greatest domestic power is the affect on the judiciary. Moyers kind of states my biggest problem with the system. The district maps, which decide the electoral balance, have been ####ed with so badly that they make no sense. Trump won really close races for big electoral college wins, but git absolutely demolished in the ones he lost. He lost the parts of the country that generate most of the GDP by a whopping 44 points. That shows you how broken the system is.



http://billmoyers.com/story/real-way...ection-rigged/

[photon]

Removing banking regulations that came in after the bust seems like it might encourage another short term boom, so maybe stocks are a good investment short term?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dobbles

OK, we'll keep going with this I guess!

The original post was that Trump spoke about giving the people the country back. Turd pointed out that he had lost the popular vote. Then he got jumped on.

To me, the initial observation by Turd was spot on. Saying a phrase like 'giving the people the country back' implies that he got elected to make changes that the majority want. However in this case, he was elected by the minority. So it was funny.

Regardless of my qualms with Trump and his awfulness as a human being, in this case, the beef is actually with the electoral college. It is antiquated and should be abolished immediately.

I guess the shortest way to say it is that I think Trump lacks the mandate to make statements like the original one quoted. He lacks that mandate because he won only because the electoral college is stupid. That doesn't imply that he shouldn't be president, just that the rules to become president are broken.

Here is where I disagree. Just because an election was close doesn't mean a president doesn't have a mandate. He has all the mandate given to him by the constitution and since they also have the republicans the house and senate they have additional power. The ability to pass legislation is a mandate.

Also +/- 3milliom votes doesn't materially change the "mandate your implying. The statements only 47% of people voted for him or 51% of people voted for him is not material to the mandate argument.

Therefore I feel the statement is said to delegitamize his presidency which it shouldn't. It's also one of the red herrings that the media and protesters will chase that can bear no fruit.

Focused attack on policy and how he is not benefitting the republican Base and working class whites is what is required to defeat him in 2 and 4 years.