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Old 01-16-2017, 11:16 AM   #1
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One of Calgary's highest profile trials is unfolding right now. Some of the details being released are quite gruesome.

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Justice Gates goes through rules of being juror--told if they've heard anything about the case previously to "banish it from their minds"
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Justice Gates: "You are the judges of facts. You are not lawyers or investigators” he warned jurors not to google or research #garland case
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When Jennifer O'Brien went to pick her son up June 30/14 "The house was covered in blood" #garland
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#Garland's sister recognized the truck. She got her husband (Alvin's son) to call police with tip. That's when #garland began to search farm
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Nathan, Alvin and Kathy weren't found on #Garland farm. But what was found was a smouldering burn barrel. DNA of all three was found.
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Crown says when #Garland found Nathan at the home he incorporated him into his meticulous plan to kill Alvin and Kathy Liknes #yyc
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Crown: July 1/2 2014 aerial photos taken above #Garland farm show bodies of Nathan, Alvin and Kathy face down on the grass
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Crown: we expect to call approx 50 witnesses, warns evidence will not be easy to hear. #Garland meticulously researched and planned killings
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:34 PM   #2
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as I recall, they have never found the bodies.

I hope for the sake of the families that if garland was the one that did it (something that only he knows right now), that the prosecuters are able to prove it, and that he does not slither away due to some technicality.

would ntoe be an easy trial to be a juror at
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:41 PM   #3
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Wow.

That is so disturbing.
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There is a special place in hell for people that hurt children.

Especially when they hurt children over something like money or hurt feelings.
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would ntoe be an easy trial to be a juror at
I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could mentally handle hearing the testimony & seeing evidence. They must provide some kind of counselling service or therapy for jurors after cases like this?
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I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could mentally handle hearing the testimony & seeing evidence. They must provide some kind of counselling service or therapy for jurors after cases like this?
Yes, counselling is available for the jurors.

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There is a special place in hell for people that hurt children.
No there isn't. There isn't even a special cell to lock away these animals, unfortunately no punishment is fitting.
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I would hope they provide some sort of services for the jurors. Just reading those tweets was hard. I can't imagine hearing more details and seeing photos. These are the kinds of people who should be put to death, unfortunately that isn't possible.

This is such a sad story. What a mad man.
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Glad to hear they have good evidence. Put this bastard away forever.
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"My mom, I would consider her my best friend. She helped me raise my kinds," Jennifer testifies at #Garland trial w/ voice shaking

"He was just truly a kind, loving, happy, happy boy," says Jennifer of her son, Nathan O'Brien, 5. #Garland accused of murdering her son

Jennifer testifies at #Garland trial that on June 29, 2014, Nathan, 5, chose to visit his grandma instead of going to the zoo

Jennifer #Garland trial testimony: sleepover Nathan's idea. Nathan wore his female cousin's fleecy pink PJs. Jennifer giggles at this detail

#Garland trial hears Nathan, 5, brought superman cape with him to grandparents. Grandma had bought him costume w/ muscles. The boy loved it

#Garland trial: Throughout the whole house, it was just like a bloody scene, says Jennifer. Pools of blood on the bed, wall, kitchen

Jennifer on phone call to husband: "I said my family's been murdered and he's taken the bodies." Then called 911
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would not be an easy trial to be a juror at

I had a friend called in to be a juror for this trial - lucky for him he was not picked
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Very hard to read & can't even imagine what the family went through & will forever go through. Some of the details coming out are crazy. To think Nathan's mother, who was also staying over, left at 11pm as 1 year old son was fussing and for her to return to that scene in the morning, wow! Nathan chose to stay at Grandma & Grandpa's rather than go to the zoo with family. Just heartbreaking.
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would ntoe be an easy trial to be a juror at
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I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could mentally handle hearing the testimony & seeing evidence. They must provide some kind of counselling service or therapy for jurors after cases like this?

I did one of those "friend of a friend of a friend" follow the comment things on Facebook today and read where the person was called for jury duty for this trial. She was declined, based on a few different criteria, and she said in many ways, she was happy to have been rejected, as she wasn't sure she could have handled it, emotionally or mentally, and was certain it was something she'd definitely need counselling for. She has kids near the same ages and lives in the area Garland lived, which were 2 of the reasons she listed for being rejected. I can't imagine being chosen for a juror for this trial either.
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I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could mentally handle hearing the testimony & seeing evidence. They must provide some kind of counselling service or therapy for jurors after cases like this?
I'm in the same boat. Call me a coward, but if I was called for this sort of jury duty I would do whatever I could to get out of it...
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it would sure be hard to have an open mind even after just reading what has come out on day 1.

as a parent, I can't imagine how you would not spend the rest of your life asking yourself why you did not take both kids home that night......
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Yes, counselling is available for the jurors.



https://twitter.com/ValFortney?ref_s...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Judge says counselling available for jurors during trial? Not sure how that would be done without creating a mistrial. For any case, but perhaps especially in a case where the alleged murders will have to be proved circumstantially since no bodies have been found.

How can one be an impartial trier of fact and also be getting grief counselling mid-way through the hearing where you are supposed to only decide if anything bad actually happened after hearing all of the evidence from both sides?
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Judge says counselling available for jurors during trial? Not sure how that would be done without creating a mistrial. For any case, but perhaps especially in a case where the alleged murders will have to be proved circumstantially since no bodies have been found.

How can one be an impartial trier of fact and also be getting grief counselling mid-way through the hearing where you are supposed to only decide if anything bad actually happened after hearing all of the evidence from both sides?
Really good point, I was actually wondering myself how someone could receive counselling during a trial.

Maybe the reporter misinterpreted what the judge was saying?

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https://twitter.com/CBCMeg/status/821052994418577409

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Judge says counselling available for jurors during trial? Not sure how that would be done without creating a mistrial. For any case, but perhaps especially in a case where the alleged murders will have to be proved circumstantially since no bodies have been found.

How can one be an impartial trier of fact and also be getting grief counselling mid-way through the hearing where you are supposed to only decide if anything bad actually happened after hearing all of the evidence from both sides?
Are you deciding whether something bad happened or deciding whether this individual is responsible though? Not really the same question it would seem.
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Crown: July 1/2 2014 aerial photos taken above #Garland farm show bodies of Nathan, Alvin and Kathy face down on the grass
This confuses me. Who was taking aerial footage and when did it become available to police? Like how does footage show 3 bodies face down in a field yet doesn't make it to the police in time to find the bodies?
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