[News] Sabres fire GM Tim Murray and Head Coach Dan Bylsma

[ernie]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Too bad. I liked his approach at the draft where he would just go up and make the selection instead of making a speech and thanking everyone under the sun before they make their pick.

Probably a bad sign for a GM if that is what people remember you for....

[Flash Walken]

I wonder if Buffalo throws a ton of money at Treliving?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Tough though because the lottery balls went the Leafs way and not the Sabres. Also the Leafs had to offer a monster contract to get the better coach.

Certainly in the case of Buffalo ending up with Eichel instead of McDavid, and the Leafs getting Matthews. But Toronto also drafted Nylander, Marner, etc., and have the likes of Kadri and JVR while Buffalo has Kane.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Not many GMs around the league get to enjoy the fruits of their labour through a rebuild, and I don't think this was any different. It seems you almost need to be a special kind of GM to last from the start of a rebuild and back into contention.

I don't think Murray was that great. I am sure Eichel doesn't mind him gone either since Murray was so publicly 'disappointed' at having to draft Eichel.

I can't imagine Bylsma gets another contract any time soon, but I was sure as I could be that Torts wouldn't either, so who knows?

[albertGQ]

Lost the lottery two years in a row.

Could've had Ekblad and McDavid.
But got Reinhart and Eichel instead.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder if Buffalo throws a ton of money at Treliving?

Do GM contracts officially expire on July 1 like player contracts?

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder if Buffalo throws a ton of money at Treliving?

What? Treliving has been in the playoffs 2 of 3 years, true, but his track record isn't extensive enough yet that he would warrant "a ton of money" being thrown at him. I would suspect someone like Lombardi would be much higher on a list like that.

[FlamesAddiction]

The decent thing would have been to fire them at the very end of the season like most teams do, giving them the best chance to catch on with other teams. I have to think the Eichel rumour was true. It's not like other coaches were just fired and they are hoping to bring on of them on (like in the Hartley situation where they also waited).

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Tim Murray, we barely knew ye. Seemed like a super ineffective GM. Ownership interference?

In what way? I think he did literally everything possible to launch that team headfirst into a rebuild. Compare that to what the Canucks have done, dipping their toes in the water. He accumulated a ton of picks and young players, tanked at the right time (can't help the lottery balls), and ended up with a whole bunch of good young pieces. What else can you do as a GM? If your scouting department can't turn the picks into assets, if your coaching staff and AHL pipeline can't develop your assets into players, if your coach can't get the most out of the players you've got... how does that get laid at Murray's feet?

And it's too soon to say that they even have a problem there. Eichel was hurt this year. When he was healthy, he murdered. See the Oilers last year without McDavid vs. this year.

Honestly, after what he did there, any rebuilding franchise should be considering him.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

In what way? I think he did literally everything possible to launch that team headfirst into a rebuild. Compare that to what the Canucks have done, dipping their toes in the water. He accumulated a ton of picks and young players, tanked at the right time (can't help the lottery balls), and ended up with a whole bunch of good young pieces. What else can you do as a GM? If your scouting department can't turn the picks into assets, if your coaching staff and AHL pipeline can't develop your assets into players, if your coach can't get the most out of the players you've got... how does that get laid at Murray's feet?

And it's too soon to say that they even have a problem there. Eichel was hurt this year. When he was healthy, he murdered. See the Oilers last year without McDavid vs. this year.

Honestly, after what he did there, any rebuilding franchise should be considering him.

I don't think he did a bad job, just seemed to be overshadowed by ownership during his tenure, and this move sort of seals it for me. Losing out on Matthews and babcock were unfortunate but it just felt like that team had more to give.

Or maybe i don't have a clue what i'm talking about.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

In what way? I think he did literally everything possible to launch that team headfirst into a rebuild. Compare that to what the Canucks have done, dipping their toes in the water. He accumulated a ton of picks and young players, tanked at the right time (can't help the lottery balls), and ended up with a whole bunch of good young pieces. What else can you do as a GM? If your scouting department can't turn the picks into assets, if your coaching staff and AHL pipeline can't develop your assets into players, if your coach can't get the most out of the players you've got... how does that get laid at Murray's feet?

And it's too soon to say that they even have a problem there. Eichel was hurt this year. When he was healthy, he murdered. See the Oilers last year without McDavid vs. this year.

Honestly, after what he did there, any rebuilding franchise should be considering him.

This is why bad teams often have trouble becoming good teams.

Impatient owners, and now they're going to bring in a new guy to reset the clock.

I'd like to believe the Flames are so familiar with this formula that they'd be able to avoid it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

He didn't really have a good shot at Matthews; they were most likely to pick 7th. Ended up 8th with Nylander, which is a fine selection there imo (unfortunate missing out on Keller though).

[sureLoss]

Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Another good hockey mind, Craig Conroy. Lots of options for the Sabres.

Conroy getting some love

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wonder if Buffalo throws a ton of money at Treliving?

I would be super annoyed if this quaint little "other industries don't renew contracts until they are due" nuance cost the Flames their general manager, and essentially launched another new direction in Calgary.

And the dumb part about this nuance? It's not even true. If you have a contractor that is valuable and expected to be well sought after not only do you look at keeping him before his expiration date, you convert him into a full time employee and avoid the hassle

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Another good hockey mind, Craig Conroy. Lots of options for the Sabres.

Conroy getting some love

What's the consensus here - is he ready for a GM role? Could internal love for Conroy be what's prompting the speculation Treliving won't be back?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I would be super annoyed if this quaint little "other industries don't renew contracts until they are due" nuance cost the Flames their general manager, and essentially launched another new direction in Calgary.

And the dumb part about this nuance? It's not even true. If you have a contractor that is valuable and expected to be well sought after not only do you look at keeping him before his expiration date, you convert him into a full time employee and avoid the hassle

Amen, sister.

[Roof-Daddy]

Just hire Lombardi already. Probably one of the biggest reasons Murray was even fired is because Lombardi became available. In my eyes the might as well have announced his hiring at the same time, but I guess we'll see.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just hire Lombardi already. Probably one of the biggest reasons Murray was even fired is because Lombardi became available. In my eyes the might as well have announced his hiring at the same time, but I guess we'll see.

Could be. Assuming Lombardi will go there, they won't find a better candidate. Built the Sharks into a perennial playoff team/contender and built the Kings into 2-time Stanley Cup champions. He knows the road-map. And you know money won't be an issue for Pegula.

[GirlySports]

should hire these two

[Oling_Roachinen]

Going from Murray to Conroy would be an incredibly huge change in draft philosophy. I mean the actual getting up on the podium part, from 5 seconds to 10 minutes.