2015-2016 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread

[Caged Great]

Francona has an out clause that was triggered when Shapiro left.

Would not be shocked if he came aboard.

[Fire]

Weren't most fans calling for AA's head halfway through this season?

[Pagal4321]

And heeeeere we go.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Will be very, very interesting to see where this goes.

AA put a team together that wasn't very far off from winning the entire thing this year after being out of the playoffs for 22 years, so to hear Shapiro was critical of his moves scares the hell out of me. I don't have a good feeling about this at all, hope I'm wrong.

[Sainters7]

The only good news about this is it drastically increases the chances that Gibbons is gone.


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[Senator Clay Davis]

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It is being reported that, in their first and only meeting, Shapiro scolded Anthopoulos for trading so many top prospects this year. Looks like Shapiro wants to implement the highly successful Cleveland Indians’ model of holding on to all their prospects and never winning anything.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Will be very, very interesting to see where this goes.

AA put a team together that wasn't very far off from winning the entire thing this year after being out of the playoffs for 22 years, so to hear Shapiro was critical of his moves scares the hell out of me. I don't have a good feeling about this at all, hope I'm wrong.

It was really of a miracle run. A GM making those moves at the deadline for a .500 team was crazy. That probably doesnt work most of the time.

Even if AA had stayed, don't see the Jays being that good next year as the other teams reload.

[normtwofinger]

Oh no! We suck again.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It was really of a miracle run. A GM making those moves at the deadline for a .500 team was crazy. That probably doesnt work most of the time.

Even if AA had stayed, don't see the Jays being that good next year as the other teams reload.

For sure all of the Jays trades at the dead-line seemed to work great......

I agree, Jays of next year have some major issues with Pitching.

EE & Bautista are entering their last year of their contracts.

Could be an interesting off season

[flames_fan_down_under]

Like another poster said this spells the end of Gibbons which is pleasing and if Tito comes to the Jays that would be awesome.

Oh well that's a shame that AA is gone, a new chapter for the Jays.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It was really of a miracle run. A GM making those moves at the deadline for a .500 team was crazy. That probably doesnt work most of the time.

Even if AA had stayed, don't see the Jays being that good next year as the other teams reload.

Yeah, but it did work. And Tulo is under control until 2022. Revere is under control until 2018. So it's not like all the moves he made were rentals, even if he was 'going for it' he still brought in some players that are going to stick around for a little while.

The entire batting order could come back next season if the Jays want. Sign a starter or two and I'm not so sure this team won't be in the thick of things. I'd be more critical of AA if he brought in all pure rentals but he didn't. Shapiro better have some great moves up his sleeves are the entire Jays nation will turn on the organization......quickly.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yeah, but it did work. And Tulo is under control until 2022. Revere is under control until 2018. So it's not like all the moves he made were rentals, even if he was 'going for it' he still brought in some players that are going to stick around for a little while.

The entire batting order could come back next season if the Jays want. Sign a starter or two and I'm not so sure this team won't be in the thick of things. I'd be more critical of AA if he brought in all pure rentals but he didn't. Shapiro better have some great moves up his sleeves are the entire Jays nation will turn on the organization......quickly.

Key is can the Jays sign David Price or Estrada? If the answer is no, they have major holes to fill.

Batting perspective, they need to find a new 1st Baseman who is a Lefty.

Other than that I like the lineup, but the pitching (Starters and Bullpen) are the concern.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yeah, but it did work. And Tulo is under control until 2022. Revere is under control until 2018. So it's not like all the moves he made were rentals, even if he was 'going for it' he still brought in some players that are going to stick around for a little while.

The entire batting order could come back next season if the Jays want. Sign a starter or two and I'm not so sure this team won't be in the thick of things. I'd be more critical of AA if he brought in all pure rentals but he didn't. Shapiro better have some great moves up his sleeves are the entire Jays nation will turn on the organization......quickly.

I think you risk getting into this habit of relying on the FA market every year and never developing anyone. If your FA signings fail it's a bad season followed by another offseason of more FA signings.

I think Shapiro believes Price trade will come back to haunt the Jays. Losing 3 excellent pitching prospects was a high price to pay.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think you risk getting into this habit of relying on the FA market every year and never developing anyone. If your FA signings fail it's a bad season followed by another offseason of more FA signings.

I think Shapiro believes Price trade will come back to haunt the Jays. Losing 3 excellent pitching prospects was a high price to pay.

It was either giving up the prospects to acquire an ace to make run for the post season or it would have been 23 years since they last made the playoffs. The choice was pretty easy.

Also, that same David Price could win the Cy Young or finish second in voting atleast.

[jschick88]

Jeff Blair reporting that AA will be on the conference call this morning at 11am MT.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

It was either giving up the prospects to acquire an ace to make run for the post season or it would have been 23 years since they last made the playoffs. The choice was pretty easy.

Also, that same David Price could win the Cy Young or finish second in voting atleast.

True enough. I don't think the 23 years number is really important though, need to ignore that and build properly.

I compare it to the Flames, if Treveling mortgaged the entire future for a playoff run because the Flames hasn't made the playoffs in X number of years CP would explode.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

So the Jays hire a mediocre executive that costs them an above average GM. Sounds about right.

Getting Dombrowski would've been one thing, but they lost out on him. I could understand losing AA because of a guy like that. But Mark Shapiro? Give me a friggin break...

[Erick Estrada]

I'm mixed on this. Sure he made some deadline deals that got the team on a tear but the overall body of work is somewhat underwhelming. During his time he basically built a team that was middle of the pack. Not total disaster but not a team to be contended with on an annual basis and he's never really been able to address pitching as the bullpen has been a disaster most of his time. It will be interesting to see how coveted he will be around the league and if he can do better in another organization.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

True enough. I don't think the 23 years number is really important though, need to ignore that and build properly.

I compare it to the Flames, if Treveling mortgaged the entire future for a playoff run because the Flames hasn't made the playoffs in X number of years CP would explode.

Although if X was 22 they might think differently.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It was really of a miracle run. A GM making those moves at the deadline for a .500 team was crazy. That probably doesnt work most of the time.

Even if AA had stayed, don't see the Jays being that good next year as the other teams reload.

The Jays weren't your average .500 team. They had the best run differential in the league at the time. Even without making those trades, the team more than likely goes on a big run - you don't heavily outscore your opponents all year and fail to win ball games. It was a smart GM realizing what he had on his hands was much better than the record indicated.

There's no way Gibbons sticks around. GMs in baseball always hire their own guy. They don't beat around the bush like in hockey and wait for the incumbent coach to falter before cutting him. Gibbons probably doesn't last until the end of November.