Obama went back in time to 2003 to give the green light for ISIS to form.
If you watch the video Flash posted, or even do any research on the policies that Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Co. were implementing at the time, it's hard not to see how the rise of ISIS is anything but a direct result of those actions. The problem is/was that the Republican party and its stooges at Fox News effectively dismiss any of these claims as attacks by the "liberal media," and their supporters eat it up.
George W. Bush 2007 Prediction of Current Iraq Crisis
Was never a big fan of Bush but I'm really getting tired of Obama's tip-toe approach on anything military. Show some balls for a change.
Under a Bush type leader it's safe to say ISIS would never had a chance to form, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine and MH-17 would have landed safely.
Umm well could I argue the opposite in the sense that Bush created this whole thing by labeling a whole state as 'terrorists', and invading / destabilizing the entire region.
If Bush were still in charge we'd have moved onto poking Iran by now. Careful what you wish for.
It's basically the equivalence of pouring gasoline all over your house before moving out and then telling the new person moving in that it is probably going to burn down while flicking a match behind you.
The only thing prophetic about this situation were all the people telling Bush not to invade in the first place because they knew enough about history and the region to know where things were headed.
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If you watch the video Flash posted, or even do any research on the policies that Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Co. were implementing at the time, it's hard not to see how the rise of ISIS is anything but a direct result of those actions. The problem is/was that the Republican party and its stooges at Fox News effectively dismiss any of these claims as attacks by the "liberal media," and their supporters eat it up.
I think you missed the sarcasm in his post. It's easy to do when you gotta read all the other brutally incorrect talking points, as you mentioned. But, I'm pretty sure -nik was making a funny for us.
Adjust your sarcasm meter, and we'll get back to it.
I think you missed the sarcasm in his post. It's easy to do when you gotta read all the other brutally incorrect talking points, as you mentioned. But, I'm pretty sure -nik was making a funny for us.
Adjust your sarcasm meter, and we'll get back to it.
Haha, I actually realized after the fact that it looked like I was arguing with nik. I was actually in agreement, but just decided to leave it as is.
Wow... It looks like Al-Qaeda is appealing to ISIS to tone down the number of killings and release hostages that were trying to genuinely help the Muslim people. When Al-Qaeda is saying the group is too extreme...
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Al-Qaeda appealed to Isis to release the British hostage Alan Henning because it believed he was an innocent aid worker who was genuinely trying to help suffering Muslims, it can be revealed.
In evidence that the depravity exhibited by Isis is now repelling Muslims of all views and backgrounds, even the terrorist group behind the 11 September attacks on the US in 2001 decided that kidnapping the aid-convoy volunteer was a step too far.
Wow... It looks like Al-Qaeda is appealing to ISIS to tone down the number of killings and release hostages that were trying to genuinely help the Muslim people. When Al-Qaeda is saying the group is too extreme...
The government has begun invalidating the passports of Canadians who have left to join extremist groups in Syria and Iraq, Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander revealed in an interview on Friday.
The minister told the National Post his department had also revoked the passports of several Canadians who had not yet left the country but who had intended to travel to the volatile region to enlist as foreign fighters.
He would not disclose the number of passports Citizenship and Immigration Canada had revoked over the conflict but said there were “multiple cases.” The government says about 30 Canadians are with extremist groups in Syria and 130 are active elsewhere.
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Personally I would be tempted to just put them on a ultra watch list and let them come back, then arrest them and grill them for any useful information when they get back.
Things are going to get worse on this, look at what's happening in Australia.
What has me worried isn't so much the asshats going over there to fight with ISIS, but the radicals who are staying put in the country.
Gotta think there are more than a handful present in the country with no intentions of leaving.
The stuff out of Australia this week was certainly disturbing. It's also what makes it hard for me to have a huge problem with increased surveillance. I'd like there to be more transparency from the government and intelligence agencies and more legislation restricting the use solely to terrorist and extremist activity, but the state's number one function is to provide a safe environment for its citizens.
Well you know it will get out of hand, and you know innocent people will be caught in the middle of it.
It is afterall the 'normal' reaction people in North America have always had when they live in supposed fear of a terrorist attack. More government powers!
Well you know it will get out of hand, and you know innocent people will be caught in the middle of it.
It is afterall the 'normal' reaction people in North America have always had when they live in supposed fear of a terrorist attack. More government powers!
Oh absolutely. I was speaking more in a theoretical sense. LE, government, intelligence, etc., can never restrain themselves.
oh great, ISIS is now urging musliims in countries like France, Canada, US to kill unbelievers. I wonder if we will hear a peep out of local muslims regarding that directive. Wonder if any radicals that didn't leave the country will try it.
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oh great, ISIS is now urging musliims in countries like France, Canada, US to kill unbelievers. I wonder if we will hear a peep out of local muslims regarding that directive. Wonder if any radicals that didn't leave the country will try it.
The answer is a big friken NO, The muslims that claim to be peacefull also never say a word about the radicals and just "shrug" their shoulders when asked about it.
As most people here know I hate religion with a fvck!ng passion but I seriously think maybe it's time for a good ol religious war. It worked in the past!
The answer is a big friken NO, The muslims that claim to be peacefull also never say a word about the radicals and just "shrug" their shoulders when asked about it.
As most people here know I hate religion with a fvck!ng passion but I seriously think maybe it's time for a good ol religious war. It worked in the past!
It's easy to do when you gotta read all the other brutally incorrect talking points, as you mentioned. But, I'm pretty sure -nik was making a funny for us.
