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CaptainCrunch · 07-14-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

So I'm assuming you thought the right decision was made in the OJ Simpson acquittal?

How are they the least bit comparable?

puckluck2 · 07-14-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

How are they the least bit comparable?

Um you said "bingo" when quoting a poster who said because there is a debate that means there was reasonable doubt. There was also a debate with the OJ Simpson case so does that make his acquittal ok in your mind?

CaptainCrunch · 07-14-2013, 05:57 PM

From a pure facts point of view, the OJ Simpson acquittal was similar in a lot of ways. There was reasonable doubt. But the reasonable doubt was put into play by another bumbling prosecution that was exacerbated by the prosecution allowing OJ to try on the murder gloves and pretending that he couldn't get them on. It was a stupid stupid tactic by a desperate prosecution. They also did an amazing job of casting doubt on one of the investigting police officers by digging into his past and making him look like a racist who would have no trouble with evidence tampering. We had a lab that completely mishandled the evidence.

You had a judge that lost control of the trial right from the start. On top of that you ended up with a all black jury (I'm still baffled at that to this day).

So yeah, based on a legal term the acquittal was far. At the end of the day, you had motive, but the physical evidence and the investigation fumbles meant that there was no way that they could get a conviction.

It followed the common theme that we're seeing with a bumbled prosecution.

Personally I still stick to the theory that it wasn't OJ that did the killing, it was his son. But whatever.

Yes, the OJ acquittal was right.

DuffMan · 07-14-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

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Fact is a 17 year old kid got killed because Florida laws allow for guys like Zimmerman to try to take the law into their own hands. Its a pretty ridiculous way of allowing society to operate IMO.

Absolutely

jayswin · 07-14-2013, 06:06 PM

This is one of those odd CP threads where there's a divide and all the old posters are on one side and all the younger posters are on the other. I wonder if there's a reason, or if it's just coincidence in this case?

CaptainCrunch · 07-14-2013, 06:10 PM

Interesting, but I don't think there's a reason. I think there's a misunderstanding of the burden of proof that the prosecution had in this case.

I think there's an emotional divide.

I think there was a divide created by the media and by the Martin Family lawyer.

Maritime Q-Scout · 07-14-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

This is one of those odd CP threads where there's a divide and all the old posters are on one side and all the younger posters are on the other. I wonder if there's a reason, or if it's just coincidence in this case?

I'm old?!?! That hurts only because I remember being one of the kiddies on the QMJHL forums.

DuffMan · 07-14-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Witness accounts say that Martin was beating on Zimmerman MMA style.

Are you serious?

What witnesses?

Did they verify TM had MMA training? That can't be that hard to verify , can it?

DuffMan · 07-14-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Except Zimmerman was no longer in pursuit, by testimony Martin basically searched Zimmerman out and confronted him. He in effect became the aggressor

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In other words TM made the huge mistake of not killing Z first, when he was the pursued?

Oling_Roachinen · 07-14-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DuffMan

Are you serious?

What witnesses?

Did they verify TM had MMA training? That can't be that hard to verify , can it?

One of his neigbours who took to the stand and testified it. He never meant that he had MMA training, just that Martin was on top of Zimmerman in a "ground and pound" style.

Curious, and I know this is going to sound confrontational but I don't mean it to, did you watch any of the trial? That was a pretty big deal.

Maritime Q-Scout · 07-14-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DuffMan

Are you serious?

What witnesses?

Did they verify TM had MMA training? That can't be that hard to verify , can it?

I read a description that said MMA style.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ce-documents/2 (4th paragraph from the bottom)

I take that to mean Martin was on top of Zimmerman repeatedly throwing punches to the head.

MMA style does not mean that Martin had MMA training, just how the witness described the incident.

Maritime Q-Scout · 07-14-2013, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DuffMan

In other words TM made the huge mistake of not killing Z first, when he was the pursued?

From the evidence Martin was never in danger. Zimmerman didn't want Martin to get away before he was questioned by police.

(Is that statement 100% true, I don't know, that's just the evidence that was presented; remember in a criminal trial all evidence must be put forward, conclusions can only be made based on the evidence, and you have to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

I think part of the arguments and misunderstandings is that poster like myself and Captain Crunch are arguing law and reasonable doubt and not what we think happened or should have happened).

transplant99 · 07-14-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DuffMan

In other words TM made the huge mistake of not killing Z first, when he was the pursued?

No he made the mistake of going back after GZ once the intial confrontation was over.

What part of this are you not following? It is, afterall, the entire basis of the self defense used in this case.

WhiteTiger · 07-14-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

This is one of those odd CP threads where there's a divide and all the old posters are on one side and all the younger posters are on the other. I wonder if there's a reason, or if it's just coincidence in this case?

How are you dividing younger and older posters? I don't consider myself old, and I feel that the jury reached the right verdict based on the evidence I've seen as presented.

jayswin · 07-14-2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

How are you dividing younger and older posters? I don't consider myself old, and I feel that the jury reached the right verdict based on the evidence I've seen as presented.

I was going with what I know, and didn't factor you in. How old are you?

DuffMan · 07-14-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

From the evidence Martin was never in danger. Zimmerman didn't want Martin to get away before he was questioned by police.
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Well, he sure took care of business in that regard didn't he?

DuffMan · 07-14-2013, 06:47 PM

America... Treating justice like its 1875.

Oling_Roachinen · 07-14-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DuffMan

America... Treating justice like its 1875.

By not lynching the multi-racial, including black, defendant and instead gave him a fair trial? Yep.

jayswin · 07-14-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

From the evidence Martin was never in danger. Zimmerman didn't want Martin to get away before he was questioned by police.

Well, mission accomplished.

EDIT: Didn't see Duffman's post.

driveway · 07-14-2013, 06:53 PM

The problem is the gun. Without the gun, this is a two-inch story in a local Florida newspaper.

"Local teen arrested after assaulting neighbourhood watch Captain.

A volunteer watch Captain was released from hospital early this morning after being treated for injuries sustained in a fight with a local teen. The teen confronted the man after being followed through his neighbourhood in the early hours of the morning. No names were released."

When there are guns, people die. Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Only reasonable solution.