Westworld: New original HBO series

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I'm not so much confused as overwhelmed. So much to process.

At the end of it all Maeve came back for her daughter and now the hosts are conscious and they aren't happy. Ford is dead. William is alive but looking to be in trouble. Is the Samurai part safe? Did just the western hosts go nuts?

Is season two about survival for the guests? Does the park continue?

[Stud_McCool]

I hope season 2 takes place in samurai world. Excellent show.

[Hockey]

Season 2 might not start until 2018

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Meh. 2018 is only 13 months away.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Great episode. Someone on that show likes Radiohead.

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Meh. 2018 is only 13 months away.

Well it would be late in 2018

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Hockey

Well it would be late in 2018

I'd guess spring. With Game of Thrones being delayed next season, it will probably start next fall and Westworld will take over GoT's spot in the spring.

EW has a post-finale interview with Ed Harris up and he says they'll likely be shooting next season in June or July. That should work with a March/April 2018 air date.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Great episode. Someone on that show likes Radiohead.

That would be the showrunner.

[White Out 403]

a TV masterpiece, season 1. i read somewhere online that they had everything already in place, story wise, and it wasn't going to be like other shows where everything was cobbled together as they go. the results speak for themselves. incredible season. im glad i stayed away from the internet and didnt let the identity of the MiB reveal get spoiled for me; it was worth it. i didnt see it coming and me and wife were both jaw drop shocked.

cant wait for season 2, which, sadly, appears to be a ways off.

[Patek23]

I'm somewhat confused though as there seems to be a major plot hole. Ford discusses with Dolores that she is the one who killed Arnold and it almost stopped the Park from opening but that at the same time she also helped save the Park by making William fall in love. These events with William occur with the Park already opened though so I'm confused how that works.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I'm somewhat confused though as there seems to be a major plot hole. Ford discusses with Dolores that she is the one who killed Arnold and it almost stopped the Park from opening but that at the same time she also helped save the Park by making William fall in love. These events with William occur with the Park already opened though so I'm confused how that works.

Early in the season, shortly after William and Logan arrive at the park, Logan mentions to William how the park is bleeding cash because of an incident with a partner that Logan's company and his team of lawyers can't find anything about. So it seems the park stumbled out of the gate despite Arnold's actions, but may have folded quickly if not for Logan, then William's, intervention via Delos.

They allowed it to become Disneyworld instead of Euro Disney. Although I guess what is now Disneyland Paris actually does OK. So that may be a bad analogy.

[FlameOn]

So Robert Ford = Robot Ford in that last scene? I thought I read somewhere Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris were signed on for a second season awhile back. Was it something to just throw us off the ending?

I love the idea of a second park. Might be a bit of a jump to explore those given what we've been watching lately with the western theme.

[me_dennis]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

So Robert Ford = Robot Ford in that last scene? I thought I read somewhere Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris were signed on for a second season awhile back. Was it something to just throw us off the ending?

I love the idea of a second park. Might be a bit of a jump to explore those given what we've been watching lately with the western theme.

I was thinking about this but maybe Ford really did get shot, but he was building a robot version of himself to live on as a Robot with consciousness. Maybe he wanted Delores to find her consciousness so she can show the Robot Ford and he can live on as an immortal.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

So Robert Ford = Robot Ford in that last scene? I thought I read somewhere Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris were signed on for a second season awhile back. Was it something to just throw us off the ending?

I love the idea of a second park. Might be a bit of a jump to explore those given what we've been watching lately with the western theme.

Hopkins could be back in flashbacks. I presume the show will continue to rely heavily on those. Or maybe we didn't see the real Ford die. He may have made decoy copies of himself.

The MIB is still alive. He also finally has what he wants, a game that isn't rigged. He's spent his life preparing for this, so I don't imagine he'll go down quickly.

[ResAlien]

Not quite sure I understand Arnold's endgame. Telling Delores she has to kill all the hosts? They're hosts, they'll get patched up and sent right back out. I get the having her kill him part but the kill all the other hosts bit doesn't make a tonne of sense.

And classic JJ Abrams forgetting about plot points, are we to assume that Security guard McStrongjaw died in the Indian attack? This doesn't seem to be the type of show to have off screen deaths like that. Nevermind the girl he was looking for and her signal.

[me_dennis]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Not quite sure I understand Arnold's endgame. Telling Delores she has to kill all the hosts? They're hosts, they'll get patched up and sent right back out. I get the having her kill him part but the kill all the other hosts bit doesn't make a tonne of sense.

And classic JJ Abrams forgetting about plot points, are we to assume that Security guard McStrongjaw died in the Indian attack? This doesn't seem to be the type of show to have off screen deaths like that. Nevermind the girl he was looking for and her signal.

I think Arnold's initial goal was to have the hosts gain their own consciousness so that they seem more "real", but I think eventually he figured that this could be super dangerous, which is why he wanted to shut down the park by killing the hosts and himself.

Ford probably caught on to Arnold's work with the consciousness and wanted to use this to fuel his obsession with the hosts and the park and he wanted to live on immortally as a robot.

I think once Delores figured out the "maze" (or gaining her own consciousness) Ford knew it was time to debut his new narrative, with Wyatt (Delores) killing everyone, including Ford and the Delos board, and so he can come back to Westworld as Robot Ford (the robot that he was building in his house in the woods). He will then learn how to gain consciousness from Delores.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Not quite sure I understand Arnold's endgame. Telling Delores she has to kill all the hosts? They're hosts, they'll get patched up and sent right back out. I get the having her kill him part but the kill all the other hosts bit doesn't make a tonne of sense.

And classic JJ Abrams forgetting about plot points, are we to assume that Security guard McStrongjaw died in the Indian attack? This doesn't seem to be the type of show to have off screen deaths like that. Nevermind the girl he was looking for and her signal.

Early on the hosts were more mechanical and slower to repair. I think he thought that by killing himself and destroying the hosts he could set them back enough that Ford wouldn't be able to recreate it without him.

I really liked the theory of consciousness presented here. That when programming (Arnold's voice) becomes indistinguishable from how you react to previous situations you become conscious.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

And classic JJ Abrams forgetting about plot points, are we to assume that Security guard McStrongjaw died in the Indian attack?

• JJ Abrams has nothing to do with the writing or plotting of the series
• There is no way the showrunners and writing team have forgotten this plot point

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by GGG

Early on the hosts were more mechanical and slower to repair. I think he thought that by killing himself and destroying the hosts he could set them back enough that Ford wouldn't be able to recreate it without him.

I really liked the theory of consciousness presented here. That when programming (Arnold's voice) becomes indistinguishable from how you react to previous situations you become conscious.

Suppose that makes sense, just felt like busy work to kill things that were literally created to be killed and brought back over and over again. Agreed about consciousness and the maze. I'm glad it didn't end up being a physical place, that would have been odd.

[Thor]

I had such high hopes for this TV series and its exceeded my lofty expectations, what an outstanding show, up there for me in my top 5 of all time.